EVE General Discussion

No they are multi-player games. Rust support 64 players up to 128. DayZ can handle more but is essentially a standalone and still a limited player cap, non-scalable. There is a big difference in the architecture of the games compared to a traditional mmo. You will see mmo game sites (like review sites) call them "mmo's" but most sites are doing that just to draw traffic to their site, and then lot of game devs connect the term "mmo" as a marketing scheme. They will call them "hybrids" but doesn't really mean anything.

You will also see those games heavily pirated and heavily hacked with cheats. In a true mmo architecture, most everything that happens in the game originates at the server, not the client. Like for the EVE client, it's actually really dumb and mostly just loaded with art assets, for the most part. The server code is incredibly sophisticated, scalable, and like I said everything game related takes place from there. In most cases, you would actually need the server code to run the server, you cant just exe a simple little app, it's so much more than that. And if you let people have that server code, you essentially give away the game for free, no way to ever control it or make a living from you hard work from developing it. The difference is huge, really.

I do not know if they can, maybe I just lose the cloak when I start doing something, warping or deploying probes or something, it usually happens so quickly I do not have time to understand why :-)

Would be nice if it went open source like Ryzom or Meridian 59, but even then they wouldn't release anything usable for just playing like the average player would want, more about fixing the code to run EVE but CCP really has enough coders for that already to not need an open source release. It's why you don't usually see solo/stand-alone play from mmo's on your computer, with no connection to the internet required style of play, it's all just server based much like old MUD's but not entirely. There have been some with little demo's like that, to play a little off-line, but very-very limited, just more Demo like. I usually keep a look-out on such projects or available code bases, I own a number of paid development licenses on various engines including mmo systems. A little work in the field and such, from indie projects. Started with MUD programming many years ago, the grandfather of MMO's. All fun stuff

Nah, just very limited. The only one I know of active right now is Vendetta Online but all you can do is fly through rings floating in space (timed track) and attack a few stationary objects. EQ1 had a thing where you could run around a little and learn a few basics, but no real interaction either, and removed it years ago. Oh then WWII Online, you could, or can still (not sure), try out the various vehicles and weapons without going online. Most everything new went to f2p so none offer off-line demo's. Mostly they are just basic practice and to see if the client will run before you commit to a subscription. Add too much and people tend to reverse-engineer it and start hammering away on a server emulator. I mean they still do it anyway (won't mention how) but most developers rather not make it too easy for them.

This thread... is hilarious. OP, you appear to want a single player game that let's you create things that you can show off to others. Might I suggest The Sims 3 and Minecraft? The Sims 3 is quite expensive, a few hundred dollars for all of the add ons, but it'll let you be creative in a fairly nice looking game. Minecraft is dirt cheap, but its voxel based so it doesn't look as nice. EvE Online is a social game, with success beyond your wallet balance predicated on your ability to find and keep friends that can and will do the things you can't, or in your case won't, do. You're free to avoid combat here, but if you want to do more than mine Veldspar you're going to need friends that don't avoid combat. And you don't need a private server to insulate yourself from all human contact, just close local and pretend all those other ships out there are NPCs and voila! you've got yourself a private, single player server!

EVE is like real life, but in space.
You can't segregate yourself from other people, just like how you can't avoid people all the time in real life.

The whole reason why CCP wanted to create EVE is solely because they want the whole community competing in one universe, one server.

And CCP will never create private servers, because that's not why they created EVE for.

Well, thank you for clarifying that point, Ezwal

Without the combat side of Eve there is no market or industrial side to play, everything is tied together. Remove any one element and the entire economy is broken.

You are engaged in PvP whenever you're competing with another player, no matter how indirectly. Shooting each other in the face is just the most obvious face of it.

Eve is deeper than most MMOs, some of the really interesting gameplay doesn't even involve logging in.

Avoiding people on TQ is easy too. It is just more likely you see people than SiSi except for down time.

Here is the Math
50K players at any given time (Normally 30k at least when I'm on)
7k systems including k-space and wh
That make about 7 pilots per system..... actually much less since most Hisec hubs are 50 to 100 pilots and the rest seem to be between 0 and 14 pilots.

So with an average of 7 pilots per system and knowing that most hisec hub have the majority of pilots online in them, then you can extrapolate that something like 1/3 of the systems in TQ are empty.

Otherwise all the points made against a private server are valid, you may not like to hear that but it is true. Eve is a game about social interaction. If you don't like that Eve is the wrong game for you, you should get Space enginneers alpha/beta/whatever instead. I hate to say it that way but PvP is so ingrained into Eve that the one cannot be removed without losing the whole game.

You can look 3 posts up on what is Trolling, that is written in ISD Ezwal's post. Actually there had been already posts removed in here. Trolls are the people who lack brains to add anything constructive, so they add insults instead. Besides i do not understand why do you need to log a second alt to post the same thing twice.
And generally about this thread. I posted a simple technical question which actually was answered in the second post. It could have ended there but i do like this thread as I got a lot of new info from the people here who do understand what they are writing about.

I have problems quoting as I am getting error all the time, so I will answer h ere to the other posts above.

Cypherous
Well you have a good idea there. It doesn't have to be a whole map, it could be a Solar System or a wh. Actually (I hope CCP do see this thread) it may be good idea to sell something like wh for example for real money. That is what Second Life and EQ2 are doing. It is private, but still inside the map.

Jonah
There is always a market everywhere where you can trade something. Combat just a part of any economy, look at rl. The one thing about Eve do surprise me though, that it lacks the decay mechanism, that would really boost the economy up. Besides it is realistic.

Malcolm
Not sure if you did read this thread through. Guess not as it is long. But I said several times, that yes I do play on Sisi and like it. There are some drawbacks there though as it is not a gaming server.
It often shuts down
Everything gets wiped with new mirror
It lacks the market trading
But for the building, exploring and pvp it is a good server.

Drak
Everyone is posting here how I should avoid people and combat, but it is not that important to me. I did post those reason for private server, but those are not the primary reason. I do not avoid people in games. I am just trying to avoid those that create problems. I am more of a solo player, so I do join groups sometimes, but not often. Not joining teams does not mean avoiding social interaction, otherwise I would just play offline.
Combat pvp I do not like, but it is not like it is some major issue.
The main thing for me as I am an industry oriented person is that the industry is too developed here. When I am playing games I like to start from the beginning
Re your figures about 30K players, you really should divide it by 6 if not 10 as the majority here have 6-9 alts.
And the last one, the usual one from everyone, go play somewhere else. I have said it already, but i will repeat. I am adult person and quite capable of deciding myself which game to play and what is best for me. If I am still here and posting in the forum means that I do like the game. Space Engineers, yes I have seen it, but not much impressed. I do not like games with player created content much. Another thing that I do love about Eve are spaceships and universe, that is another part of the game that looks great.