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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2521 - 2014-05-11 12:08:58 UTC
I've not seen it personally but I understand torp ravens can be quite the shock for people.

Though since the cruise buff I imagine they are even rarer.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2522 - 2014-05-11 12:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
afkalt wrote:
I've not seen it personally but I understand torp ravens can be quite the shock for people.

Though since the cruise buff I imagine they are even rarer.


Nano torp raven is a bag of fun, then again, just about any raven is good fun. Its a rather nice and adaptable hull now.
stoicfaux
#2523 - 2014-05-11 15:36:29 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Summer drone dps with the ability to add hypothetical faction drone modules. There is a Rattlesnake tab already setup.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4579148#post4579148

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2524 - 2014-05-11 16:03:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
afkalt wrote:
I've not seen it personally but I understand torp ravens can be quite the shock for people.

Though since the cruise buff I imagine they are even rarer.


Nano torp raven is a bag of fun, then again, just about any raven is good fun. Its a rather nice and adaptable hull now.


Think I'd probably prefer the torp 'phoon.

Lacks the range boost but it's as fast as a thief and just cooler Blink
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2525 - 2014-05-11 17:25:12 UTC
Removed an off topic post.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2526 - 2014-05-11 17:25:36 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
afkalt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
afkalt wrote:
I've not seen it personally but I understand torp ravens can be quite the shock for people.

Though since the cruise buff I imagine they are even rarer.


Nano torp raven is a bag of fun, then again, just about any raven is good fun. Its a rather nice and adaptable hull now.


Think I'd probably prefer the torp 'phoon.

Lacks the range boost but it's as fast as a thief and just cooler Blink


The phoon is also a great ship. Smile

I honestly think we are currently in a golden age for battleships.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2527 - 2014-05-11 20:03:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

I honestly think we are currently in a golden age for battleships.


lol i wish that were true... The changes to warp speed pretty much killed them unless your corp/alliance has a titan to bridge the fleet.

More/better battleship only modules are needed to make it a battleship "golden age".

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2528 - 2014-05-11 20:09:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

I honestly think we are currently in a golden age for battleships.

I really agree. The MJD, in conjunction with the Tiericide of Tech 1 and the Marauder buff have all really made them worthwhile. Not to mention the rail buff that made an entire line of ships finally useful.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2529 - 2014-05-11 20:37:51 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

I honestly think we are currently in a golden age for battleships.


lol i wish that were true... The changes to warp speed pretty much killed them unless your corp/alliance has a titan to bridge the fleet.

More/better battleship only modules are needed to make it a battleship "golden age".


One of my Mega's warps faster than an assault frigateBlink
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2530 - 2014-05-11 20:50:56 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
lol i wish that were true... The changes to warp speed pretty much killed them unless your corp/alliance has a titan to bridge the fleet. More/better battleship only modules are needed to make it a battleship "golden age".

The warp speed hit has certainly dampened enthusiasm, although the Machariel will be clawing some of that back in Kronos.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2531 - 2014-05-12 00:42:13 UTC
I was thinking about the comments on the Rattlesnake losing the velocity bonus.

A RHML rattler with velocity and damage bonus is going to be hitting for a stupid amount of burst damage out to about 120 km.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2532 - 2014-05-12 01:58:19 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
I was thinking about the comments on the Rattlesnake losing the velocity bonus. A RHML rattler with velocity and damage bonus is going to be hitting for a stupid amount of burst damage out to about 120 km.

The current Rattlesnake velocity bonus doesn't apply to RHMLs, so nothing changes. And it's 64km with full skills (96km or so if you rig it with hydraulics).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#2533 - 2014-05-12 04:32:37 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:

This new rattlesnake will do zero missile damage when ships get out of torpedo range, and without missile velocity bonus, that happens very often.



Stop using torpedoes.


stop being a ridiculous clown.


now lets talk about the drone bay nerf. pre nerf, the Snake can fit 2 flights of heavy or sentry drones, 1 flight of light drones and 1 flight of medium drones and still have 75m3 of drone bay space left over for whatever.

with the proposed changes the snake can only has enough space to fit the above mentioned without the additional 75 m3 of space left over for salvage drones or what have you.

in addition to the loss of missile velocity bonus and loss of bonuses to all its drones, the nerfs to the rattlesnake are far greater than the simple dps buffs needed to bring its dps in line.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
New Eden Corporation 98713347
Brotherhood of Spacers
#2534 - 2014-05-12 04:43:15 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:

This new rattlesnake will do zero missile damage when ships get out of torpedo range, and without missile velocity bonus, that happens very often.



Stop using torpedoes.


stop being a ridiculous clown.


now lets talk about the drone bay nerf. pre nerf, the Snake can fit 2 flights of heavy or sentry drones, 1 flight of light drones and 1 flight of medium drones and still have 75m3 of drone bay space left over for whatever.

with the proposed changes the snake can only has enough space to fit the above mentioned without the additional 75 m3 of space left over for salvage drones or what have you.

in addition to the loss of missile velocity bonus and loss of bonuses to all its drones, the nerfs to the rattlesnake are far greater than the simple dps buffs needed to bring its dps in line.


True, But as everyone keeps pointing out, Lights were used to kill frigs that your sentrys failed to blap at range, and mediums saw even less use.
And regarding torps. A new 3 BCU cruise fit has MORE dps at the same range as the old torp fit with 4 BCUs and has Better damage application
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2535 - 2014-05-12 05:19:10 UTC
Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:

This new rattlesnake will do zero missile damage when ships get out of torpedo range, and without missile velocity bonus, that happens very often.



Stop using torpedoes.


stop being a ridiculous clown.


now lets talk about the drone bay nerf. pre nerf, the Snake can fit 2 flights of heavy or sentry drones, 1 flight of light drones and 1 flight of medium drones and still have 75m3 of drone bay space left over for whatever.

with the proposed changes the snake can only has enough space to fit the above mentioned without the additional 75 m3 of space left over for salvage drones or what have you.

in addition to the loss of missile velocity bonus and loss of bonuses to all its drones, the nerfs to the rattlesnake are far greater than the simple dps buffs needed to bring its dps in line.


True, But as everyone keeps pointing out, Lights were used to kill frigs that your sentrys failed to blap at range, and mediums saw even less use.
And regarding torps. A new 3 BCU cruise fit has MORE dps at the same range as the old torp fit with 4 BCUs and has Better damage application


realistically you would have a flight of heavies, a flight of sentries and then a bunch of lights with a flight od salvagers if you want. You dont need any more for pve.

In pvp you would have the same but I would replace the salvagers with a flight of light armour drones.
Ulviirstin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2536 - 2014-05-12 12:26:07 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Finally we get to the battleships!
RATTLESNAKE
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225)


Sir!
I would like to say what most of rattle-flying capsuleers being shy to admit.
The question is not in dps balance or will the new two sentry damage as old five ones.
Heretofore just RATTLE (and GILA) gives the opportunity to those players who live in the Empire to fly on "little-wonnabe-carrier".
Nerfing dronbay and reducing the number of drones you make those ships into banal cruiser and battleship as if you have just deleted them.

I beg Your pardon, but this is not rebalance, it's deletion from the game a possibility for a considerable class players.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2537 - 2014-05-12 12:48:44 UTC
Ulviirstin wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Finally we get to the battleships!
RATTLESNAKE
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225)


Sir!
I would like to say what most of rattle-flying capsuleers being shy to admit.
The question is not in dps balance or will the new two sentry damage as old five ones.
Heretofore just RATTLE (and GILA) gives the opportunity to those players who live in the Empire to fly on "little-wonnabe-carrier".
Nerfing dronbay and reducing the number of drones you make those ships into banal cruiser and battleship as if you have just deleted them.

I beg Your pardon, but this is not rebalance, it's deletion from the game a possibility for a considerable class players.


You get more drone flights in the rattle than any other battleships aside from the dedicated droneboats.
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2538 - 2014-05-12 13:26:00 UTC
Ulviirstin wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Finally we get to the battleships!
RATTLESNAKE
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225)

Sir!
...
The question is not in dps balance or will the new two sentry damage as old five ones...
I beg Your pardon, but this is not rebalance...

It took them 5 minutes to change a few numbers here and there, literally, and they call it - rebalance. I'm not saying Rattle is not stronger than it was but... they could have done far more.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2539 - 2014-05-12 13:31:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ulviirstin wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Finally we get to the battleships!
RATTLESNAKE
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225)


Sir!
I would like to say what most of rattle-flying capsuleers being shy to admit.
The question is not in dps balance or will the new two sentry damage as old five ones.
Heretofore just RATTLE (and GILA) gives the opportunity to those players who live in the Empire to fly on "little-wonnabe-carrier".
Nerfing dronbay and reducing the number of drones you make those ships into banal cruiser and battleship as if you have just deleted them.

I beg Your pardon, but this is not rebalance, it's deletion from the game a possibility for a considerable class players.


You get more drone flights in the rattle than any other battleships aside from the dedicated droneboats.


Define "dedicated droneboat".
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2540 - 2014-05-12 13:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Barton Breau
baltec1 wrote:

realistically you would have a flight of heavies, a flight of sentries and then a bunch of lights with a flight od salvagers if you want. You dont need any more for pve.

In pvp you would have the same but I would replace the salvagers with a flight of light armour drones.


Realistically, why heavies?
Having 3 sentry types so you dont have to shuffle around drones before every mission in addition to resists seems more likely.
(I mean on top of a flight of lights, just in case and salvagers)