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But it should be twice harder, or rather, twice longer than before? Why is inflicting capital crime punishment on the players a good thing for the game? Are we serving criminal sentences by playing EVE? How does it make it more diverse and dynamic to have twice as higher research times than before? Was that fun? It was pretty darn slow going before, but it needs to go even slower? I don't get this reasoning.

What have we done? Or what has a new player done (or not done), that you have to sentence them to an even longer research time than before?

Let's have some real numbers here. Some have estimated it will take 5 years to research a carrier. I'm not even going to use the ME level. I'm just going to take that figure, 5 years.

In Canada, under Criminal Section 266, the crime of Assault, carries with it a maximum penalty of 5 years in prison.

But we want to make researching a blueprint in take EVE take longer, because it has to be hard.

Researching that blueprint is meant to be hard, in fact it should be so hard that these 5 years we're giving you are generous. Relative to what, jail time?

Please people, use some reason and common sense. We are playing a game here. We are not serving time for crimes we did not commit. Games are meant to be fun. Time mechanics do not make a game hard, but let's not open that can of worms.

Let's look at another figure, which is a medium time frame to some numbers for research that has been tossed around on these forums using CCP's tables from the blog, for capital ships. If you want to correct me, I don't care. In fact, I bet it isn't even the top end.

10 years. Let's spell it out, ten, years. Ten Years.

In Canada, under Criminal Code Section 266, you can spend a maximum of 10 years in prison for the crime of, Assault causing bodily harm or with weapon.

Assault with a deadly weapon, or researching your capital blueprint, hmm, which would you pick because these things pretty much take the same amount of time. Therefore, it stands to conclude that they should be similar.

But nooo, 10 years for researching a Capital Ship BPO, is just simply not enough. It should take even LONGER, because it's clearly not hard enough to achieve this in game. It should take, Twenty-Seven Years, "haha, good luck maxing that out", because it should be HARDER! Really hard!

A capital blueprint in a game, to research, should take the amount of time you can expect to serve for Manslaughter, Second or Third Degree Murder?

CCP, why? Why are you doing this to the game?
Take a step back, and just re-asses things for a second. Take a breather, away from your no doubt, stressful jobs. We love you, we love your effort and passion that you put into the game, but this is the wrong way to apply changes.

Walking away from your computer and letting something research for years on end is not hard. It's just simply insane.

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And yes, Sigras, the times are not for total research, but individual ME levels, which means you have to add them up to get the real totals. If they are not, someone please correct me, but even if they are not, the above figures still apply.

"Research times will follow essentially the same curve as skills" -- the dev blog. Just like when you train a skill to 3, training it to 4, takes nothing into account of how much you have trained that skill in the past, it is a new level and it will take x amount of time to reach it. Notice the word multiplying used immediately after in the dev blog.

"blueprint "ranks" multiplying the research times for more advanced blueprints."

Of course, I would love to be wrong, but at this point.. I think those are the figures we are looking at.

I wonder...

And this is the other side of the coin.

You know for sure that some BPO owners, one of our crazier ones who bothered to research one to crazy amounts, won't have that BPO minted to perfect soon?

We don't have any now, and we won't have any made during the new system. But we might see some on June 3rd.

Well, that's it from me, I think CCP have their hands full with this one, I still trust them to work it out. Even after the patch goes live.

Hmm speaking about titan bpos I have a question. I did read all the blue posts and didn't see any confirmation so I am asking.

If I have a titan bpo at ME3, PE1 and put it on research for ME4 prior to the exp, what ME is it going to be when it is finished? As far as i read it should be ME 8% but still will be greatfull if a dev can comfirm that.

If I start the ME job from a station but using a pos lab what will happen to the bpo when the exp arrives. I've read that it will be left in the station but will it keep the lab time bonus, or new time will be calculated as bpo is no longer using pos lab. Another thing about the time issue - will it keep the old total time (in this case me3 to me4 that is about 4 months) or it will get a new time accordingly (me 7% to me 8% which is if i remember correct about 3 years)?

What will happen if the pos is removed or destroyed, in other word is the bpo going to be linked to the pos somehow or not. Cause if it is I'd rather start it on a station at first place.

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utilising public information is not an exploit.

I wasn't talking about using public information. I was talking about buying up BPOs after this devblog was released, and putting them in to research to ME 10, thereby getting to participate in the "big round up".

not only is taking action now to benefit from announced patch changes not an exploit, ccp devs routinely advise people to do it

Look at the dev blog again. They are not giving an estimation, like when you look at the requirements for flying a ship, and it says something like 6d 10h 13m.

They are giving you the actual steps. You have to add them up. That's why they put in a table format. Level 1 will take x. Level 2 will take x. And so on. (So from that table, T1 ammo would take around 5d to perfect, which is still reasonable, it's only when it gets jacked up that those numbers really start to fly.)

There have been numbers flying from both camps, that have assumed both added and total. Why do you think they haven't come in here and clarified this? You would think they had noticed. "Oh, by the way guys, those two years aren't a total, they are the total to get from 8 to 9."

The forums would have erupted.

Since the times have been one of the major issues of contention, they would have loved to alleviate some of that concern but they have not clarified. So you have to assume the latter.

Again, I would love to be wrong, but I don't think that is the case. I think they gave us the steps and what they cost to train, just like skills.

There was a mention on updating the max number of runs on capital component blueprints. Is this still being considered? If so, what order of magnitude can we expect? 10, 100, 1000 runs per bpc?

You would have a point if the game required your character to actively research the BPO, but it's just something you can passively do in the background while your character does other stuff.

See when you're sent to jail, youre required to actively be in jail for that time, it isnt just something you can do in the background as you go out and work your job and live your life.

You know what does work passively in the background while you live your life? Investment funds ... gee, its almost as though researching BPOs is an investment.

Sure, maybe you guys are busy or just are avoiding this question. The impression I get from CCP not answering this is there is no trend as CCP Greyscale states. Thus, changing the research system because of a bullshit reason.

I would give a **** if you wanted to say you were changing the research system because there needs to be more isk sinks, more difficult to conduct research, or other valid reason/whatever. As it stands, CCP is not giving any valid reason. Thus CCP is lying. Just own up to you are trying to bullshit us and are lying about this, or say what the reason is.