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[Gecko's] ONLY 1 DAY LEFT!! HERE'S WHERE WE STAND!

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Beofryn Sedorak
#41 - 2014-05-11 05:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Beofryn Sedorak
Updated the Opening Post.:

The event is 7 days long. As of the upcoming downtime, 5 of those days will have passed.

The Math: 100 (Percent) / 7 (days) = 14.29 (percent per day) 14.29 * 5 = 71.45% is needed after 5 days to be "on track" (Not taking increased weekend activity into account)

According to the event page:

  1. Ore: shouldn't have any problem of reaching the second goal.

  2. Science and Industry: Should make it, they're about square on target.

  3. NPC Bounties: Both Bounties and ISK Destoryed need some serious help :(
  4. ISK Destroyed: Both Bounties and ISK Destoryed need some serious help :(
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#42 - 2014-05-11 06:36:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
All your Geckos are belong to us...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#43 - 2014-05-11 09:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:
Updated the Opening Post.:

The event is 7 days long. As of the upcoming downtime, 5 of those days will have passed.

The Math: 100 (Percent) / 7 (days) = 14.29 (percent per day) 14.29 * 5 = 71.45% is needed after 5 days to be "on track" (Not taking increased weekend activity into account)

According to the event page:

  1. Ore: shouldn't have any problem of reaching the second goal.

  2. Science and Industry: Should make it, they're about square on target.

  3. NPC Bounties: Both Bounties and ISK Destoryed need some serious help :(
  4. ISK Destroyed: Both Bounties and ISK Destoryed need some serious help :(


Mining, lots of miners mining.

Science and industry is understandable, most tasks are planned well in advance, and not likely to change unless at the most insignificant level.

Npc bounties? Lots of wardecs this week. Besides, High sec bounties are trivial compared to Null.

Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

Looks like nullsec will need to get working, biggest destruction possibilities, and best bounty rats. If they do not, then after the new player presentation where they stated that they are only a percentage of less than 10% of players, then the propaganda that they are "real EvE and the most important group in effect as well as quantity" , will be somewhat difficult to sustain.

You do realise this is a test don't you? This may well define your future!Shocked
The free geckos are merely bait.Lol

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-05-11 09:39:11 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Dave Stark
#45 - 2014-05-11 09:51:17 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?

no, everything must be equal and it's clear that the pvpers are letting the side down.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#46 - 2014-05-11 10:03:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

James already beat me to making a point above that is relevant.

Could it also be that pvper's aren't really all that interested in obtaining a drone they'll never use, so aren't changing their normal play habits because of this challenge; while miners are interested in unlocking the goals because, while they'll also never use them, they are worth ISK and can be sold?

Like my last point, I don't really believe that, it's just another example of the stupidity of dropping your epeen out to focus on an "us and them", when we have no basis for understanding how the targets were set.

If you are so concerned about pvper's failing, stop shooting at things that can't shoot back and go shoot stuff that can shoot back.
Josef Djugashvilis
#47 - 2014-05-11 10:15:02 UTC
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
What happened?

I had a life yesterday and even talked to a female.

Wooo me! Now what did I miss?


Asking your mom to do your washing does not count Smile

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#48 - 2014-05-11 10:19:05 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?


That, and you can't bot PvP 23/7.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Josef Djugashvilis
#49 - 2014-05-11 10:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?


That, and you can't bot PvP 23/7.


Dear Kaarous if you suspect folk are botting, CCP will be glad to hear the details.

But of course, you know and I know that your post is just your usual substandard trolling.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#50 - 2014-05-11 10:25:15 UTC
I don't "suspect" anything, anklebiter.

CCP themselves has told us that the vast majority of bots banned are found in highsec, and they are miners.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Josef Djugashvilis
#51 - 2014-05-11 10:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I don't "suspect" anything, anklebiter.

CCP themselves has told us that the vast majority of bots banned are found in highsec, and they are miners.


Well, as the majority of players are in hi-sec, it is not surprising that the majority of botters may also be there.

You will never be as witty or a good a troll as Ladie Harlot, but at least you do try Smile

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#52 - 2014-05-11 10:32:46 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?

no, everything must be equal and it's clear that the pvpers are letting the side down.


For the weekend I have 1 kill for 70m, 300m bounties, and Oops 900m in items. I spent far and away most of my time on the bounties, so its a pretty inefficient part of being a nullbear that CCP is asking us to do.

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-05-11 10:45:29 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?

would be interesting to hear some reasons for CCP to do it to their 'pure pvp-oriented' game

and nope, trolling of their players doesn't look very good in this case

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-05-11 10:46:20 UTC
Nimrod vanHall wrote:
...undock press self destruct and shoot them once with an alt before the ship blows up, so it counts as pvp.

Are you saying that's NOT PVP? How rude...

I do this all the time....
Dave Stark
#55 - 2014-05-11 10:51:01 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?

would be interesting to hear some reasons for CCP to do it to their 'pure pvp-oriented' game

and nope, trolling of their players doesn't look very good in this case


you say it like picking random numbers out of a hat isn't a valid way of selecting arbitrary targets.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-05-11 10:56:46 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?

would be interesting to hear some reasons for CCP to do it to their 'pure pvp-oriented' game

and nope, trolling of their players doesn't look very good in this case


you say it like picking random numbers out of a hat isn't a valid way of selecting arbitrary targets.

i mean using weekly average for some period of time and adding like 10% on top of it would be the most reasonable way to make those numbers.

and if you really 'pick random numbers out of the hat' you can get into finishing all of your goals in the first day of such party. So you WILL NEED to use real statistical data anyway. And only 'randomness' here is what you add on top of it.

So i would ask again: where is reasons for CCP to make pvp goal harder than goal for miners or mission runners?

And using your logic one could say that CCP intentionally set goal for mission runners harder than goal for miners too? Any reasons for this?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Dave Stark
#57 - 2014-05-11 11:00:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
March rabbit wrote:
reasons for this?

to see all the tinfoil on the forums.

in a game built on conflict do you really think ccp aren't going to intentionally do something to make people have a hilarious and absurd discussion about it?
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-05-11 11:03:53 UTC
I know how to fix this. N3/PL leadership, GSF, Avatars @ 75k off Old Man Star.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#59 - 2014-05-11 11:07:21 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Tauranon wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?

no, everything must be equal and it's clear that the pvpers are letting the side down.


For the weekend I have 1 kill for 70m, 300m bounties, and Oops 900m in items. I spent far and away most of my time on the bounties, so its a pretty inefficient part of being a nullbear that CCP is asking us to do.



I agree, if my post sounded like a Null attack, that was not the intention, a little bit of humour sure., but not meant as a dig.

The point is this is a perfect measure of real activity, regarding alts on an account, only one can be on at a time, so the argument that all hiseccers are alts, cannot work while players are on in Null with the same account. More than one account they get paid one way or another so that is fine.
The metrics provided by this "free" giveaway, are the pure, unvarnished, facts. Free of opinion and the metagame.
Nulll , and it is null, as that is where the greatest destruction occurs or is believed to occur, and the best bounties, Will clearly show the real impact of Null on the in game Wider economy and clearly show here. coming to Jita for example for mass destruction, will only confirm Hisecs importance.

i believe that CCP are looking Very Very closely at the results of this, and this will effect Nulls future forever.

Whether the targets are met or not, are fair or not, or one gets free drones or not has no relevance, only the raw data matters.

If the numbers are low then that will confirm the rising suspicion that it is Hisec that matters and gets the resources, as they are discovering that most players who join because of the big fights, do not stay subscribers and most that do stay in Hisec. Because they WANT to.

So to keep null alive and Vibrant, there are two days left. And the clock is ticking.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-05-11 11:49:12 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
reasons for this?

to see all the tinfoil on the forums.

in a game built on conflict do you really think ccp aren't going to intentionally do something to make people have a hilarious and absurd discussion about it?

as if you need something to see 'all the tinfoil on the forums'? Shocked

conspiracy theories....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"