Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It has 50% damage bonus to fewer missiles than the navy scorpion which gets a rate of fire bonus.
It gets the same damage as currently on drones.

Certainly not a 40- 50% increase in either paper or actual DPS. But even if there was more DPS, DPS alone does not make for a good ship. There's well over a hundred pages containing all the reasons why.


:) WH Pve? Sometimes............. Does being bait count? but It is too obvious for bait.

Sentry drones have Godley application on the ships that have application bonuses, the Dominix and the Ishtar. Since the Omni nerfs, anything else? not so much. you have flown ships with sentry drones, since the omnidirectional "rebalance" haven't you?

But we have long moved on from discussing DPS as the be all and end all.
The ship needs reworking as it is not a Good overall rebalance.

So everyone else has substandard sentries somehow? I must exchange them for working ones somewhere.......... Some how the miss, miss, miss, glancing blow on the screen in a long row must be an illusion.
Unless I am in a domi then somehow they magically work as you say.

Sorry I cannot find that, did you post with a different character?
Anyway, are you really saying that you have noticed no difference since the omnidirectional tracking unit changes?
Two was always sufficient, now two with the right script for the circumstances is always worse.

Anyway, do not want things to get sidetracked. This is about the rattlesnake, and hopefully Fozzie taking things on board and launching a Pirate ship that is worthy of the name, with a special pirate Flavour.
CCP has said that the Guristas Flavour is to be have the Best drones and drone ships in the game, with the drone ships having the most power power than any subcap.
He clearly did not mean the worm or the Gila so I would expect the rattlesnake would fill that role unless there is a Guristas maurauder planned?

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Using Faction ammo and curators drops the DPS to 1350, But i would be using the faction drone damage amps once they are released, so total dps would be 1400+, with most of the applied

I agree those are very impressive numbers, but how long does your cap last? Wonderful damage holes, nice faction and deadspace mods.
I am afraid this would be a cheap gank target.

The ship is really badly thought out, they really did not spend the time they needed, heavies apply damage appallingly, there are no bonuses to help that. The missiles are fina and give great numbers against the right targets,
And the whole advantage of this ship is gone with this fit, better fly a CnR and use it than going out in a flash of Gankbait.

You're entirely wrong. With the tank a Rattlesnake has, two faction BCUs and a deadspace shield booster worth a mere 300 mil is hardly gank bait. It wouldn't be worth what it takes to kill it.

Putting aside the PvP aspect with the new Rattlesnake, strictly from a PvE standpoint (because it has been used primarily for PvE) - this is only the case for certain missions and certain damage types. Take the following for comparison (no implants, V skills - T2 configuration):

Rattlesnake
• 502.5 dps Fury Mjolnir cruise, 610 dps Curator IIs » 1112.5 dps
• 502.5 dps Fury Nova cruise, 657 dps Bouncer IIs » 1159.5 dps
• 753.75 dps Fury Scourge cruise, 563 dps Warden IIs » 1316.75 dps
• 753.75 dps Fury Inferno cruise, 751 dps Garde IIs (60km max) » 1504.75 dps

Navy Scorpion
• 839 dps Fury (whatever), 166-221 dps Sentries » 1005-1060 dps

Basically there's a difference of 9.2% for EM or explosive mission-specific damage. However, this also assumes 100% damage application - which is not going to be the case for missiles on the Rattlesnake, simply due to the fact that it does not have the real estate for a pair of target painters and a pair of omnidirectionals. Keep in-mind that the Rattlesnake is losing its missile velocity and some of its drone range, so it's no longer going to be a dedicated sniper platform (the Navy Scorpion never really was).

There is also a minor damage application difference in that the Rattlesnake can only run 2/3 T2 rigors and flares, and we haven't even touched on the dps loss when having to recall or reassign drones (this will have more of an impact on the Rattlesnake than the Navy Scorpion). A fairly significant consideration that everyone seems to be overlooking is that a Rattlesnake will be hard-pressed to tank some L4s.

As has been mentioned on numerous occasions, the Rattlesnake is also losing its light and medium drone bonus - so it will be harder to clear frigates. While you can fit rapid light launchers for this task, this also drastically reduces dps.

The bottom line is that the new Rattlesnake isn't going to necessarily be better in every respect; it's going to be fundamentally different for both PvE and PvP. Simply looking at the paper dps and saying it's going to be awesome is not taking a lot of variables into consideration.

I agree with you, it's a good ship but not a great ship.

What would make it a great ship is a bonus to the strength and range of ECM Burst modules.

Then you could chuck it into a brawl, ignore anything close, murder everything beyond 10km and warp away

I should think this will tank any level 4 or c3 WH site:

[Rattlesnake, c3 solo]

5x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Cruise Missile)
Drone Link Augmentor II

EM Ward Field II
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
2x Shield Recharger II
Large Shield Extender II
Target Painter II

2x Drone Damage Amplifier II
2x Shield Flux Coil II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

3x Large Core Defense Field Purger II

1x Gecko

DPS: 1149.5
peak tank: 562 (no gang links, no overheat)

Not numbers to blow your socks off I'l admit, but very easy and lazy mission running.