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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-05-10 16:50:42 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count.


Actually, Doc, if you check CCPs financials, they don't. Remember that Serenity is operated by TianCity, not CCP. That's why it's tracked separately. CCP does get income from it, but it's basically a licensing fee.

Maybe players are being abducted and held in Chinese labor camps forced to play Eve... Someone needs to look into this!
Rainbow Dash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-05-10 16:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Rainbow Dash
IIshira wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:
IIshira wrote:

In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years.

The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Of course it has... Obama fixed everything Blink


Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years, unemployment is down, the dollar is up, by all traditional meterics the economy is far healthier than it was five years ago. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market and is a lizard-man from mars, then you really cant argue with facts (which is what you're trying to do btw).
Prince Kobol
#43 - 2014-05-10 16:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Rainbow Dash wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:
IIshira wrote:

In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years.

The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Of course it has... Obama fixed everything Blink


Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market, then you really cant argue with facts.



This is the Eve GD Forums.. people argue with facts all the time lol
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#44 - 2014-05-10 16:59:45 UTC
Rainbow Dash wrote:

Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market, then you really cant argue with facts.


If you want to argue with facts, I just noticed something interesting reading through CCPs 12 month from last December. You know they only made 4m in profit for the year, but liquidated 24m in assets? (I had other things on my mind in December of last year, so this is news to me)
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#45 - 2014-05-10 17:03:25 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count.


Actually, Doc, if you check CCPs financials, they don't. Remember that Serenity is operated by TianCity, not CCP. That's why it's tracked separately. CCP does get income from it, but it's basically a licensing fee.


If I am not mistaken (I sure could be) CCP included Serenity subs in their total sub numbers previously published and that's why I mentioned them.

If not, those subs don't matter, as you say.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#46 - 2014-05-10 17:06:38 UTC
You know what?

If the number of subs has dropped 80% because of CSM or ... whatever. I'll still log on, undock and do whatever I want. Apparently totally unopposed since everybody has unsubbed.

Me and the other 20% will still find each other. And then we're still gonna shoot at each other.

TL;DR: Don't care
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-05-10 17:09:48 UTC
Rainbow Dash wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:
IIshira wrote:

In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years.

The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Of course it has... Obama fixed everything Blink


Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years, unemployment is down, the dollar is up, by all traditional meterics the economy is far healthier than it was five years ago. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market and is a lizard-man from mars, then you really cant argue with facts (which is what you're trying to do btw).

Did I say anything about lizzard men or Obama controlling the stock market? Just a bit defensive are we? I wonder who you voted for. Idea

The economy is getting better but only because it's recovering from a really bad state. If someone knocked all your teeth out then you were fitted with dentures you can't argue the fact that your dental health improved P
Rainbow Dash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-05-10 17:12:39 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:

Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market, then you really cant argue with facts.


If you want to argue with facts, I just noticed something interesting reading through CCPs 12 month from last December. You know they only made 4m in profit for the year, but liquidated 24m in assets? (I had other things on my mind in December of last year, so this is news to me)


I skimmed their 2012 financials and didn't see a 24m liquidation. Any chance you can be more specific? (A page number or section).
Rainbow Dash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-05-10 17:16:47 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:
IIshira wrote:

In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years.

The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Of course it has... Obama fixed everything Blink


Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years, unemployment is down, the dollar is up, by all traditional meterics the economy is far healthier than it was five years ago. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market and is a lizard-man from mars, then you really cant argue with facts (which is what you're trying to do btw).

Did I say anything about lizzard men or Obama controlling the stock market? Just a bit defensive are we? I wonder who you voted for. Idea

The economy is getting better but only because it's recovering from a really bad state. If someone knocked all your teeth out then you were fitted with dentures you can't argue the fact that your dental health improved P



The Dow Jones Industrial just hit it's all-time high, and all other indexes are near their historical all time highs. To use your analogy, it's like you got in shape, had a bad accident and got all fat and couldn't work out, but now you're back in shape. Sure, the economy crashed in 09, but it has been trending upwards over the last couple years, which is the exact opposite of what you claimed.

Oh, and since you're so fixated on it for some reason, I'm a staunch republican, but you can't argue with numbers (well, you can, but rational people can't).
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#50 - 2014-05-10 17:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Hey you guys, don't go sticking politics into a perfectly stealth EVE is dying thread.



Big smile

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2014-05-10 17:21:13 UTC
Quote:
Friday, we were made aware of something that is being considered for Kronos. This was the cause for some genuine debate and discourse for the first time in our tenure, both with CCP and in-between ourselves. I’m very interested to seeing the player base response to this given that a) I personally consider it a very wise decision and b) it’s something CCP may need to do again in the coming year. I’m pleased CCP are looking at this path via consultation with ourselves. I hope the player base understands and agrees… I have faith in you guys!

http://crossingzebras.com/csm9-report-week-one/

this doesn't bode well...

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#52 - 2014-05-10 17:24:04 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:

this doesn't bode well...


Yup, there's tinfoil clearly displayed as the first thing you see in that article.



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#53 - 2014-05-10 17:28:31 UTC
Rainbow Dash wrote:

I skimmed their 2012 financials and didn't see a 24m liquidation. Any chance you can be more specific? (A page number or section).


Look at the 2013 ones. http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf?_ga=1.232594079.1230018860.1385400286

Page 6, check current total assets vs total assets in 2012. Went from 128m to 104m. Further along it estimates they took a $6k loss on asset disposal.
Rainbow Dash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-05-10 17:32:47 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:

I skimmed their 2012 financials and didn't see a 24m liquidation. Any chance you can be more specific? (A page number or section).


Look at the 2013 ones. http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf?_ga=1.232594079.1230018860.1385400286

Page 6, check current total assets vs total assets in 2012. Went from 128m to 104m. Further along it estimates they took a $6k loss on asset disposal.



Oh yeah, sorry. I read last december as 2012, (like this december being 2013 december and last being 2012). Anyway, ignoring my stupidity, that was the writeoff of World of Darkness. They valued their current game assets and such as worth 24m and just scrapped it, resulting in the 24m loss.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#55 - 2014-05-10 18:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Rainbow Dash wrote:

Oh yeah, sorry. I read last december as 2012, (like this december being 2013 december and last being 2012). Anyway, ignoring my stupidity, that was the writeoff of World of Darkness. They valued their current game assets and such as worth 24m and just scrapped it, resulting in the 24m loss.


No, that doesn't make sense, as they didn't cancel WoD until April of this year so that would be on the 1st half of 2014 financials.
Reiisha
#56 - 2014-05-10 18:16:17 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:

Oh yeah, sorry. I read last december as 2012, (like this december being 2013 december and last being 2012). Anyway, ignoring my stupidity, that was the writeoff of World of Darkness. They valued their current game assets and such as worth 24m and just scrapped it, resulting in the 24m loss.


Np, that doesn't make sense, as they didn't cancel WoD until April of this year so that would be on the 1st half of 2014 financials.


They did, financially. It was the write-off for 2013, not 2014.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#57 - 2014-05-10 18:25:02 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the *only* source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience".


True

JC Anderson wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the *only* source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience".


Still, the tutorials are MUCH better than they used to be... And I mean like, leaps and bounds better.


Even more true Lol
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#58 - 2014-05-10 18:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Reiisha wrote:

They did, financially. It was the write-off for 2013, not 2014.


No, we'd have seen a much larger loss for liquidating it if that was the case (since taking a loss on Liquidations is also reported). I doubt that CCP only valued WoD at 6k dollars. There's a lot of disposals over 2013, in their physical assets, some of which are replaced, and some are not. Interestingly, over a million dollars in equipment was transferred from Computers to 'other tangible assets'. I wonder what that was about.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-05-10 18:27:03 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
just in case nobody has pointed it out.

starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their **** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that **** probably isn't the best way to start a topic.


Funny thing is . . . I disagree. It shows that even if you leave Eve. Even if you burn every damn bridge on the way out. You still watch from a distance and still care enough to take part in the meta.

Eve has many more players than any sub number would have you believe.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#60 - 2014-05-10 18:33:23 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:

Eve has many more players than any sub number would have you believe.


This may be true, but what it doesn't do is help CCPs bottom line, which (in theory) is their motive for producing new content and operating the game.