Warfare & Tactics

Ok so it does not exacaly just roll off the tongue but I wonder who will be first to get a KM for one and if will turn into organised roaming gangs blowing them up to control the PI market for their overlord masters or even into mercenary work for the defense of them?

Post the KM links here for POCOs and associated kills like haulers trying to get there PI products from your lowsec system without paying a safe passage fee.

Well, I would consider this:

Many, many of those players who would want to "watch the market burn," are going to want their own shiny POS somewhere that will require the fuels made from PI to run. Unless they are care-bearing and doing PI themselves, they are not going to want the price of Planetary Interaction materials to go up, or that shiny POS will begin to cost them out the rear to run every month. However, even if they do want the price of PI materials to go up, if they are doing PI themselves, then they would not want to encourage ganking P.O.C.O's. Honestly, ganking these things are just going to be bad for everyone.

I see the main P.O.C.O. targets being folks that charge the maximum export tax. Honestly, most people would be wise to set up their P.O.C.O.'s and charge very little tax in nullsec and low sec, as a higher tax will be likely to get you investment ganked long before a roaming gang would most likely take it out, as a very, very large majority of the EVE community is somewhat tied to fueling a POS somewhere.

Dear Chicken Little:

First off, 17% is a significant amount, but its not impossible to deal with. Producers need to re-optimize their productions to limit import/export, PI prices will significantly rise, but this won't destroy the market. I might not be able to make 6-800m a month with PI, like I did, but I can still make 3-500m a month.... Who knows, it might be back up to 800m once the prices reach a new equillibrium. A changing market creates new opportunities for those with foresight, and its generally good for the game.

Second, POCO's are not cheap. Additionally, they need to be used to gain a benefit. PL, Test, Goons, et. al. might destroy all POCO's in a low sec, but they certainly wont put up their own. Only alliances that have a solid PI industry base will make much profit on setting up a POCO's, and I seriously doubt the listed alliances will bother. The only fear you need is the loss of all CO's, but that's the risk you have in setting up a lowsec/nullsec PI. Remember, people can always get goods off-planet through planetary launches, and that might become profitable.

Next, POCO's in WH space are very secure due to the RF timer. To destroy these takes a reasonable amount of firepower, and I highly doubt most roaming WH gangs will bother to shoot them. To actually destroy them, they have to come BACK and finish it off.... IMO, POCO's will provide an excellent flashpoint for territorial wars between WH residence. This is again, a very good thing!!!!

Now... on to the thread topic....

What happens when you blow up a Hi-sec Customs Office? Would it respawn, and how many suicide ships would it take? I doubt it would be profitable, but if it doesn't respawn, it could bring a new awesome POCO-geddon. I wonder if there are any high profile targets worth hitting?

No idea about the poco, but the old custom offices you cant add to BC..... we tried

But those aren't in concorden space! That stuff is dangerous! We all know that hulk gankers are 1337 pvpers who stay in highsec at all times.

Dear Maths-illiterate buffoon. 17% tax seems OK, until you have to import and export several components for a P3 or P4 from several planets. Lets take an ideal Robotics Plasma, which is about the highest level of P3 you can do in one place. 17% of 65K is still 17%, so you cannot compete with hisec or player owned nullsec/w-space people even if all you do is make robotics on a plasma. Most people don't have plasma planets, ergo, to produce robotics they must export their lower end mats from their other planets (at 17% tax) and mport to a barren or temperate, and export again, at 17% of 65K.

Get a calculator or your mother to figure this out for you.

Second, you presume I am hysterial about the idea of a possible POCOgeddon or nullsec mega-conglomerates farming lowsec for valuable planets and monopolising supply. Do you see me on the "zomg tech moons r ghey" posts? No you do not. Hence, I am happy to see the sky fall on lowsec PI, which is kind of like not worrying about the sumatran tiger. Its practically extinct, lets stop bitching, and get on with the tiger penis soups, IMO.

You, however, are also laughably ignorant of the mechanics of w-space warfare if you think that a POCO is safe from roaming gangs. Yes, they are essentially mega-Drakes with stupidly insane shield regen, but there is no better way of trolling fights than to attack and reinforce some dudes structures and wait for him to turn up to save it. Just because all you do in w-space (if you even visit) is pull your todger and suck your thumb in a forcefield doesn't mean you know jack.

Though, to be honest, the best way of trolling people is to leave the Interbus structures in place.

All POS mods, POS towers, and Customs Office killmails are broken and only show 1 person doing 0 damage , assuming this hasn't been fixed in the most recent patch.



Assuming they have similar HP to Interbus custom offices and can even be damaged, it would take about 1000 T2 Maelstroms to Alpha.

To address your falacies:

1.) "you cannot compete with hisec" -- Bull****!!!! Hisec might have a 10% rather than a 17% tax, but the resources they produce on a planet are pretty low compared to low/null. What you lose in profit per unit you can easily make up in quantity!!!

2.) "you cannot compete with player owned nullsec/w-space" -- OMG, you mean if they spend 1b isk setting up and risking a bunch of destructable POCO's, that they can produce PI products at a greater profit margin than you.... So what, this is how its supposed to be!!!

I do PI in NPC nullsec, where I made robotics. I realized, exporting and importing materials from planets is rather expensive (and time consuming), so I took the 20 minutes to reorient my PI production to produce 3x P2 products on each planet. That way, I only pay 1-time export cost, and still make an assload of isk for little effort. FYI: It's even easier now, because i don't have interplanetary logistics. Additionally, if someone blows up the CO, I can always use PL's to get my goods off planet.



lol.... A POCO has 12,000,000+ EHP. To destroy this in 20 minutes requires 10k dps, or about 20 HAC's/BC's. In my time in EvE, roaming gangs of ships don't stop for 20 minutes to randomnly shoot a structure. If they do so, they do it with a purpose: "there is no better way of trolling fights than to attack and reinforce some dudes structures and wait for him to turn up to save it." Hence, I suspect this will become common in low/nullsec, however the WH time and mass limits make doing this in W-space rare for casual hunters, and an excellent tool for space invaders.

Confirming my scan alt is incapable of finding a new connection to Kspace to let the fleet back in.

NO, seriously. You can only ever make one trip into a wormhole!