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Yes because making an educated choise between 1-14 candidates out of dozens takes the same amount of time as a post on the forums. Or would you us rather vote like sheep, judging candidates by the alliances they belongs to or some other bs?

Hmmm.. re: Mandatory suffrage / "stick" approach
How about having an e.g. 10 seconds timer every time you log on while you haven't voted yet.
-> You select your character -> a modal dialog appears with a short comment, a link to the voting page and a greyed-out "OK [10]" button that counts down and will be enabled at 0.

Altho I am really unsure how the forum-averse and development-uninformed players will react to that.
If you actually try that, you'd want to watch it really closely and turn it off if you notice that players just drop it alltogether instead of waiting or voting. (And make sure only players that are actually allowed to vote get it)

I 'do the forums' as part of being in the CSM

Choosing candidates to vote for was easier. But some of the voters did not bother to choose at all, they voted as their bloc had predetermined. It is in THEIR best interest that other lesser blocs or other voters believe the process to be flawed or useless. Thisd is what Weaselior is laughing about. Every person who declaims the election process as broken or the entire concept a farce hand the power to the organized groups who do vote.

So then you complain that it is 'all null and wh' ignoring the independents and the low sec folks who got in.

We go so far as to remove officer positions and some still see it as a power grab or confirmation that the (grr) Goons run the show. So why bother voting in the first place?

Enough of you did to get some independent voices onto the council. Enough of you did to show that a single organized group could forward a person and get him on, regardless of any drop down votes of STV.

Those people I thank. Those of you reading this and adding to the discussion I also thank, whether you voted or not.

Oh and to the abstain idea. I like it. I would prefer that if Abstain wins outright there is another election and none of the original candidates can run in that election. I like to play hardcore.

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there already is an abstain option; it's called not voting.
quite clearly, it's the overwhelming winner.

Actually, nope. Not voting means you didn't vote for any number of reasons, ranging from "I hate you all, you broke my game" to "couldn't attend due to a mild case of agonizing death in fire". If large numbers of people tell candidates "we don't like you, go away" there is a compelling reason to think that voters really meant that.

alternatively; the level of care is that low, that they can't even be bothered to tell you how much they don't care.

if you want to get to them, send an evemail. you've just reached 100% of the playerbase and now nobody is ignorant of it's existence.

2 of my 3 accounts didn't vote because i didn't care enough. I kind of feel bad about that because my votes were mainly going to people i know in-game because it means something to them (i personally couldn't give a toss).
I actually feel bad about that; i know i should care. however neither the csm or ccp have given me a reason to vote.

oh as an aside; votes are in may, been a while since i've been in education but i'm pretty sure may is exam season. sensible people value their education over space politics even if they do care.

it's not that good of a point.
while eve does have players players that are in education and would be affected by that i'm sure on the fanfest stream some one said the average age was 33, which means exams and such aren't going to be a reason for such a low voter turnout.

anyway, i'll just once again point out. eve mails, easy way to reach 100% of players.

Congrats to all the people voted in.

It would be nice to see the number of people voting increased. With a little more effort I'm sure CCP could drum up more voters. Overall the process and the CSM seem to generally improve every year.

Just a few quick ideas off the top of my head. Some of them are real bad.

- big sign, always shown during the voting process on the launcher.
- in-game Email sent out to all active players
- something obvious on top of the forums
- flashy ads on the in-game billboards
- perhaps an in-game voting interface?
- perhaps a very minor incentive for voting? Fireworks, blue stained shuttle, forum title, etc
- perhaps improve the voting platform interface. Allow me to sort who I like and automatically link that list to the voting page. As I remember I had to keep tabbing back and forth between the platform page and the voting page.
- Oh yeah, Super-PACs lots and lots of Super-PACs. What use is all this ISK if we can't attempt to influence the outcome.

we can try and force people to vote or spam them with messages at login or anywhere else. But the fact is that until you educate the players to what the CSM really means to them, it won't matter. We could get a massive uptick in voting if more people cared about what they were voting for in the first place.

That means the CSM needs to be more vocal in general, but also be allowed to say more about where they played a role. Faster minutes would help, but it needs to be more frequent than that as well.

The value of the CSM needs to be something more than just saying it has value. And that comes from someone who regularly says it has value while being pretty light on evidence to back myself up.

Absolutely, but let's not feign surprise or ignorance as to the reason for the abysmally low percentage of the player base that actually votes.

Most players, particularly in hisec and lowsec are not nearly as well organized as their null and WH counterparts. It is understandably more difficult for those individuals to find adequate candidates that are both electable and reasonably representative. This leads to a feeling of disenfranchisement and low voter turnout. Yes, this is counterproductive to their actual interests.

To that end, including an "Abstain" option or an "All of you should go away" option might better inform CCP as to the feelings of the entire player base toward their so-called representatives.