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25% dps drop for Gecko in Kronos

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Josef Djugashvilis
#201 - 2014-05-09 20:58:04 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I can't believe this hit 10 pages...


I can't believe this thread is even a thing.


I can't believe this thing is even a thread,

This is not a signature.
Josef Djugashvilis
#202 - 2014-05-09 20:59:32 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed.
seems you don't understand that simple concept.
The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill.


So if the Gecko had been introduced as-is after the skill change, you'd be perfectly happy with it?


You got that right Malcanis.

This is not a signature.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#203 - 2014-05-09 21:00:54 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed.
seems you don't understand that simple concept.
The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill.


except that's the drone interfacing skill being nerfed, not the gecko.
look, we've been through this. instead of posting more crap just go through the posts in this thread to realise whatever you're about to post has been addressed already.
You've yet to actually directly address the fact that nerfing drone interfacing nerfs the gecko. In fact you've refused to directly address the idea of one factor in the game being able to nerf another related element.

You've also not provided any sort of sourced definition which justifies the exclusion of the above from being considered a nerf.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#204 - 2014-05-09 21:02:05 UTC
Theres a lot of bloody faces from that brick wall.

Its amazing the amount of repetition going on in the hope of a different result.....

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#205 - 2014-05-09 21:03:06 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Theres a lot of bloody faces from that brick wall.

Its amazing the amount of repetition going on in the hope of a different result.....


Still not as bad as the DUST forums, last weekend....

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#206 - 2014-05-09 21:07:42 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Theres a lot of bloody faces from that brick wall.

Its amazing the amount of repetition going on in the hope of a different result.....


Still not as bad as the DUST forums, last weekend....


True, though there was a vast amount of suicides I heard too

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#207 - 2014-05-09 21:13:28 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Theres a lot of bloody faces from that brick wall.

Its amazing the amount of repetition going on in the hope of a different result.....


Still not as bad as the DUST forums, last weekend....


True, though there was a vast amount of suicides I heard too


But..... but "suicide is prohibited in public areas".... the PA system reminds them of it, all the time.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Dave Stark
#208 - 2014-05-09 21:13:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
You've yet to actually directly address the fact that nerfing drone interfacing nerfs the gecko.

it has been addressed several times.
nerfing drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing, not the gecko.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2014-05-09 21:17:55 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
You've yet to actually directly address the fact that nerfing drone interfacing nerfs the gecko.

it has been addressed several times.
nerfing drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing, not the gecko.

So you are saying that nerfing drone interfacing has no effect on the items that drone interfacing effects? That doesn't logically make sense.
Dave Stark
#210 - 2014-05-09 21:18:29 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
You've yet to actually directly address the fact that nerfing drone interfacing nerfs the gecko.

it has been addressed several times.
nerfing drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing, not the gecko.

So you are saying that nerfing drone interfacing has no effect on the items that drone interfacing effects? That doesn't logically make sense.

no, i'm not saying that at all. read what i wrote.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#211 - 2014-05-09 21:18:56 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
You've yet to actually directly address the fact that nerfing drone interfacing nerfs the gecko.

it has been addressed several times.
nerfing drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing, not the gecko.


*spludge*

There goes another one

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#212 - 2014-05-09 21:21:39 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
You've yet to actually directly address the fact that nerfing drone interfacing nerfs the gecko.

it has been addressed several times.
nerfing drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing, not the gecko.

So you are saying that nerfing drone interfacing has no effect on the items that drone interfacing effects? That doesn't logically make sense.

no, i'm not saying that at all. read what i wrote.

I did, You said that a nerf to drone interfacing is not a nerf to the gecko, which can only be true if drone interfacing has no effect on the gecko.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#213 - 2014-05-09 21:27:03 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
You've yet to actually directly address the fact that nerfing drone interfacing nerfs the gecko.

it has been addressed several times.
nerfing drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing, not the gecko.

So you are saying that nerfing drone interfacing has no effect on the items that drone interfacing effects? That doesn't logically make sense.

no, i'm not saying that at all. read what i wrote.

I did, You said that a nerf to drone interfacing is not a nerf to the gecko, which can only be true if drone interfacing has no effect on the gecko.


You obviously missed the part where Caldari drones are getting a HUGE tracking and speed bonus, so they will be able to more effectively apply their DPS, putting them on-part with Gallente and Minmatar drones.

Last time I checked, Geckos are technically Caldari.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2014-05-09 21:29:08 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:

You obviously missed the part where Caldari drones are getting a HUGE tracking and speed bonus, so they will be able to more effectively apply their DPS, putting them on-part with Gallente and Minmatar drones.

Last time I checked, Geckos are technically Caldari.
You clearly missed the part where the gecko already has it's post Kronos stats.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#215 - 2014-05-09 21:29:19 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


You obviously missed the part where Caldari drones are getting a HUGE tracking and speed bonus, so they will be able to more effectively apply their DPS, putting them on-part with Gallente and Minmatar drones.

Last time I checked, Geckos are technically Caldari.


Jarod! DONT...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184&gl=GB&hl=en-GB

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#216 - 2014-05-09 21:31:50 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed.
seems you don't understand that simple concept.
The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill.


So if the Gecko had been introduced as-is after the skill change, you'd be perfectly happy with it?

I'm not unhappy with it as is or as will be after the drone interfacing change. My participation has nothing to do with dissatisfaction with what will hit like a pair of ogre II's while being faster and tracking better.

Edit: To be clear, my position is that a negative change is happening to the gecko through a factor external to it, which qualifies as a nerf to it, which is a fact that is in no way related to my opinion as to whether it will be still desirable afterwards.


Can you not understand that the Gecko's stats were created in the first place with the Drone Interfacing change in mind?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dave Stark
#217 - 2014-05-09 21:32:47 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
You've yet to actually directly address the fact that nerfing drone interfacing nerfs the gecko.

it has been addressed several times.
nerfing drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing, not the gecko.

So you are saying that nerfing drone interfacing has no effect on the items that drone interfacing effects? That doesn't logically make sense.

no, i'm not saying that at all. read what i wrote.

I did, You said that a nerf to drone interfacing is not a nerf to the gecko, which can only be true if drone interfacing has no effect on the gecko.

because a nerf to drone interfacing isn't a nerf to the gecko.
a nerf to drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing.
it's true because the gecko just flat out isn't being nerfed, or changed in any way.

seriously, read the thread before you post things that have already been addressed (repeatedly).
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2014-05-09 21:36:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Malcanis wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed.
seems you don't understand that simple concept.
The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill.


So if the Gecko had been introduced as-is after the skill change, you'd be perfectly happy with it?

I'm not unhappy with it as is or as will be after the drone interfacing change. My participation has nothing to do with dissatisfaction with what will hit like a pair of ogre II's while being faster and tracking better.

Edit: To be clear, my position is that a negative change is happening to the gecko through a factor external to it, which qualifies as a nerf to it, which is a fact that is in no way related to my opinion as to whether it will be still desirable afterwards.


Can you not understand that the Gecko's stats were created in the first place with the Drone Interfacing change in mind?

I can and do, what are you getting at with this post? Are you saying the claim that there is a difference in gecko output for any given nonzero level of drone interfacing on any particular ship and fit and the same post kronos is incorrect?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2014-05-09 21:42:56 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

I did, You said that a nerf to drone interfacing is not a nerf to the gecko, which can only be true if drone interfacing has no effect on the gecko.

because a nerf to drone interfacing isn't a nerf to the gecko.
a nerf to drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing.
it's true because the gecko just flat out isn't being nerfed, or changed in any way.

seriously, read the thread before you post things that have already been addressed (repeatedly).
So you are saying that drone interfacing has no effect on the gecko? You still haven't addressed that directly, or the reasoning of how, if the 2 are related, DI changing can't buff or nerf the gecko (or any other drone for that matter).
Dave Stark
#220 - 2014-05-09 21:53:29 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
So you are saying that drone interfacing has no effect on the gecko? You still haven't addressed that directly, or the reasoning of how, if the 2 are related, DI changing can't buff or nerf the gecko (or any other drone for that matter).

no, i'm saying the drone interfacing nerf isn't a nerf to the gecko (again).

the 2 being related is irrelevant. the gecko simply isn't being nerfed.