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Dev Blog: CSM 9 Results!

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Angry Mustache
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#101 - 2014-05-09 19:25:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Angry Mustache
Two step wrote:
Freelancer117 wrote:

Eligible voters have cast 31,294 votes for the CSM9, for CSM8 this number was 49,702 votes cast by eligible voters, and for CSM7 that was 59,109 votes cast by eligible voters.



Seems like the logical conclusion is that CSM 7 was the best CSM, and everything since then has been downhill. Hmm, which CSM was the last one I was on again? Lol


To that point CSM 6 had even more people voting for it, but you were on that one too.

The only logical conclusion is that without the charisma of two step, nobody cared about the CSM enough to vote for it.

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#102 - 2014-05-09 19:32:21 UTC
I agree that the lower voter turnout is a very big issue. Even goon/CFC turnout is down this year, with 700 fewer people voting their ballot. Does anyone think the CFC is *smaller* than they were last time around?

I think there are a couple of main issues:
1) This election was messed up. It was greatly delayed and poorly publicized. No mass evemail to all players, no in game popup, no devs with blue text in jita local telling folks to vote.

2) Less exciting (and excited!) candidates. No real big names, except for a few incumbents. No attempts to buy giant banners on the various eve news sites. Even twitter was relatively quiet this time around, especially after the first day or two of the election. Part of this is because CCP isn't (currently) screwing up too badly.

3) Even if you don't buy into the tinfoil hat brigade up above, EVE isn't *growing* like it used to. If CCP did release sub numbers, they would probably be about the same as they have been for the last year or so. No new players means less people asking older players "What is the CSM?".

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#103 - 2014-05-09 19:33:54 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
but it is clear that they are gambling on the idea that handing the cartels even more economic control of the game is their only way to save the game. This is, of course, madness.
The "cartels" as you define them are entirely in your imagination, so yes, handing economic power to your imagination would be a bad idea. Luckily though we have reality, where there's no "cartels", just large groups of players who share common interests. Now while you may not like the changes, the majority of the player base (even outside of null) are happy with the changes. You aren't happy with them, and rather than consider yourself to be an outlier, you'd rather make up a story in your head about "the cartels". It is entertaining to watch your continual spiral into complete gibberish though, so please carry on.

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
If one looks at what has changed in the game the last 12-18 months, one would see that null sec has consolidated and stagnated into an impenetrable mass for new players (sorry Hero, being gifted a bunch of systems is not the same as hacking out a bunch), and the high sec casual gaming experience has suffered body blows.
Wait, so you mean new players can't form a tiny group with no resources and smash through a larger established group? You mean they might actually have to use diplomacy?!?! THIS IS MADNESS! MADNESS I TELL YE!

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
But naturally, it is the fault of the high sec casual gamer for not wanting to continue to play in such a toxic environment and HTFU, as opposed to those that who actually designed the changes that have created the current set of conditions in null sec and high sec.
What toxic environment? I haven't seen the waves of high sec players mass suiciding at the announcement of changes, because there's none of the world ending changes you make them out to be. Casual high sec players will continue on as normal (with a massive buff to freighters and barges to prevent more ganking I might add). Hopefully these changes will actually push people out to their relevant sectors of space too, so rather than everyone running a massive industry chain out of high sec, shipping out to low, null and WH space, people can actually play full time in the areas they want to live. That way you only have to hang out with your high sec buddies and don't have secret members of "the cartels" around every corner. That's a good thing, right?

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2014-05-09 19:35:50 UTC
Didn't bother to vote on any of my accounts this year. (4 active, 6 inactive presently)

It is my firm belief, and that of a number of friends, that the CSM simply serves the whims of a few large organizations, with the exception of the occasional well spoken representative, instead of what is best for the playerbase and game as a whole. While I do not know of an effective solution to this, other than open forum discussion on issues where the CSM might normally be contacted, I find myself more and more over the years starting to agree with the not insubstantial number of players who feels the CSM is ineffective and not worth our time.

Saying that there is a lack of 'awareness' of the CSM seems a bit naive to me, of the problem. I know many people on other games, who have never played EvE, who have heard of the CSM. I don't think I've met a player in EvE over a year old, who didn't know about the CSM. Many of us know it's there, we just don't vote.
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#105 - 2014-05-09 19:38:32 UTC
CCP gives away drones and other junk for no reason at all. It is quite apparent that if they wanted people to vote that they could simply give something away to encourage it.

In any case, I look forward to not voting again next year.


Josef Djugashvilis
#106 - 2014-05-09 19:39:48 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
my initial analysis is: lol pubbies:

Quote:

Transfer from "Sion Kumitomo":
Votes: 4314.000000, Factor: 0.516226, Excess: 2227.000000
2116.011358 votes to "mynnna"
36.135837 votes to "Angry Mustache"
27.359991 votes to "Ali Aras"
6.710941 votes to "commander aze"
5.678489 votes to "PsychoBitch"
5.162262 votes to "Mike Azariah"
5.162262 votes to Exhausted

Transfer from "corebloodbrothers":
Votes: 2944.000000, Factor: 0.291101, Excess: 857.000000
507.388247 votes to Exhausted

Transfer from "mynnna":
Votes: 2902.011358, Factor: 0.280844, Excess: 815.011358
583.253075 votes to "Ali Aras"
114.498132 votes to "Angry Mustache"
20.121332 votes to Exhausted


thanks for not filling out your ballots highsec :toot:


It would seem that not many hi-sec folk cared enough to vote.

It seems that not many null-sec folk cared enough to vote either.

If this is the null-sec cartels taking over the game, I think we can all rest easy.

Sorry Dins.

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CCP Leeloo
C C P
C C P Alliance
#107 - 2014-05-09 19:41:49 UTC
Freelancer117 wrote:
Eligible voters have cast 31,294 votes for the CSM9, for CSM8 this number was 49,702 votes cast by eligible voters, and for CSM7 that was 59,109 votes cast by eligible voters......


CSM8 was by far the most productive council yet and it has been a pleasure to work with them. We have released the raw data on voting, and if people want to speculate or run math on it then that's fine by us (:

You're right that CSM8 was really vocal and spoke a lot in the media over the course of their term, they were also pretty active on the forums. However only a small percentage of EVE players actually read our forums and news feeds. This is something we would like to change, but it will take time. It is out feeling that the downturn in votes is due to a lack of awareness, and we will be working with CSM9 to raise more awareness of the council and exactly what they do, and will be looking at new methods of communication to reach out to players that are currently not engaged with the CSM.

CCP Leeloo | Community Developer | @ccp_leeloo | leeloo@ccpgames.com

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#108 - 2014-05-09 19:42:06 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Didn't bother to vote on any of my accounts this year. (4 active, 6 inactive presently)

It is my firm belief, and that of a number of friends, that the CSM simply serves the whims of a few large organizations, with the exception of the occasional well spoken representative, instead of what is best for the playerbase and game as a whole. While I do not know of an effective solution to this, other than open forum discussion on issues where the CSM might normally be contacted, I find myself more and more over the years starting to agree with the not insubstantial number of players who feels the CSM is ineffective and not worth our time.

Saying that there is a lack of 'awareness' of the CSM seems a bit naive to me, of the problem. I know many people on other games, who have never played EvE, who have heard of the CSM. I don't think I've met a player in EvE over a year old, who didn't know about the CSM. Many of us know it's there, we just don't vote.
Pretty true, but not voting simply hands more power to us groups that do vote (thanks). There are however always some fairly independent players running for CSM, at least 3 of whom got on this year too (Sugar Kyle, DJ FunkyBacon, Steve Ronuken). They all run campaigns talking about what they want, so pretty much you take a look and see if they are your cup of tea. If they are, make your voice heard and vote.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#109 - 2014-05-09 19:47:38 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
CCP gives away drones and other junk for no reason at all. It is quite apparent that if they wanted people to vote that they could simply give something away to encourage it.

In any case, I look forward to not voting again next year.
Paying people to vote is worse than having people just not voting, since it has a high chance of making people vote at random. At least with people not voting, those who do vote get more of a say. if thousands of people just voted randomly, it would randomly weight the votes.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#110 - 2014-05-09 19:54:07 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I'd hope Ireland isnt being classed as part of the United Kingdom.


Good point my dear chap Smile

But if the UK wishes to be classed as a part of The Republic of Ireland, I am fine with that Smile

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#111 - 2014-05-09 19:55:54 UTC
CCP Leeloo wrote:
stuff

Could you clarify where voters from the Republic of Ireland are classified in that graph please?
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#112 - 2014-05-09 20:00:24 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
CCP gives away drones and other junk for no reason at all. It is quite apparent that if they wanted people to vote that they could simply give something away to encourage it.

In any case, I look forward to not voting again next year.
Paying people to vote is worse than having people just not voting, since it has a high chance of making people vote at random. At least with people not voting, those who do vote get more of a say. if thousands of people just voted randomly, it would randomly weight the votes.


We aren't electing a person to a real political office, we are electing some nerds to fly to Iceland to talk about a video game. Who cares if some people vote randomly as long as it results in more people becoming engaged in the CSM process.
Josef Djugashvilis
#113 - 2014-05-09 20:02:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Jeez folks, the number of total votes cast is appallingly low even if one assumes a total player base as low as 300,000.

Hell, I used all my votes on my two characters, so even though I cannot really remember how I cast most of them, sorry candidates but most of you are pretty much instantly forgettable, I must have had an enormous impact on the composition of CSM 9.

I wish I was joking.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#114 - 2014-05-09 20:06:35 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
CCP gives away drones and other junk for no reason at all. It is quite apparent that if they wanted people to vote that they could simply give something away to encourage it.

In any case, I look forward to not voting again next year.
Paying people to vote is worse than having people just not voting, since it has a high chance of making people vote at random. At least with people not voting, those who do vote get more of a say. if thousands of people just voted randomly, it would randomly weight the votes.
We aren't electing a person to a real political office, we are electing some nerds to fly to Iceland to talk about a video game. Who cares if some people vote randomly as long as it results in more people becoming engaged in the CSM process.
Uhh, what? How does a bunch of people being paid to vote equal "more people becoming engaged in the CSM process". They would have pushed a button for free stuff, that's not being engaged. People need to vote because they actually want to see the people they vote for push they issues they support.

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SPIONKOP
Karmic Injustice
Wardec Mechanics
#115 - 2014-05-09 20:11:50 UTC
"Eligible voters had cast 31,294 votes, meaning that the number of votes cast this year is significantly lower than for CSM 8. We feel that this is due to a lack of awareness about the CSM’s form and function within the community, and we will be working actively with CSM9 to reach a broader audience over the coming term"

Its interesting that CCP don't give an indication how what percentage of the player base voted. I assume around 10% but based on the reducing number of players in the game its difficult to say. However would less players be a reason for less votes, just a stab in the dark? Lack of awareness my arse the majority have given their opinion, they don't trust the CSM, they don't trust CCP and quite frankly they don't give a ****.

I am pleased to report that I didn't vote with any of my 6 (now 3) accounts. Having seen what the CSM has achieved in the last 8 years I really could not see the point. Seems to me the faces may change but its the same old **** year on year.


GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#116 - 2014-05-09 20:13:46 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
CCP gives away drones and other junk for no reason at all. It is quite apparent that if they wanted people to vote that they could simply give something away to encourage it.

In any case, I look forward to not voting again next year.
Paying people to vote is worse than having people just not voting, since it has a high chance of making people vote at random. At least with people not voting, those who do vote get more of a say. if thousands of people just voted randomly, it would randomly weight the votes.
We aren't electing a person to a real political office, we are electing some nerds to fly to Iceland to talk about a video game. Who cares if some people vote randomly as long as it results in more people becoming engaged in the CSM process.
Uhh, what? How does a bunch of people being paid to vote equal "more people becoming engaged in the CSM process". They would have pushed a button for free stuff, that's not being engaged. People need to vote because they actually want to see the people they vote for push they issues they support.


Apparently this is rocket science level V.

If you actually read the thread carefully from the beginning and sound the big words out you will see that a big concern is that a lot of players aren't aware that the CSM process even exists. Wouldn't giving away free stuff alleviate most of that concern? Perhaps we can compare the number of people who voted in the election to the number of people who got their free Gecko drones?
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#117 - 2014-05-09 20:14:21 UTC
CCP Leeloo wrote:
Freelancer117 wrote:
Eligible voters have cast 31,294 votes for the CSM9, for CSM8 this number was 49,702 votes cast by eligible voters, and for CSM7 that was 59,109 votes cast by eligible voters......


CSM8 was by far the most productive council yet and it has been a pleasure to work with them. We have released the raw data on voting, and if people want to speculate or run math on it then that's fine by us (:

You're right that CSM8 was really vocal and spoke a lot in the media over the course of their term, they were also pretty active on the forums. However only a small percentage of EVE players actually read our forums and news feeds. This is something we would like to change, but it will take time. It is out feeling that the downturn in votes is due to a lack of awareness, and we will be working with CSM9 to raise more awareness of the council and exactly what they do, and will be looking at new methods of communication to reach out to players that are currently not engaged with the CSM.



CCPgames could perhaps improve their feelings towards the spiraling downward trend in votes for the CSM, by making a stronger case for said Company's feelings by releasing a(ny) future CSM minutes in a timely manner for a start Cool

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SPIONKOP
Karmic Injustice
Wardec Mechanics
#118 - 2014-05-09 20:16:04 UTC
CCP Leeloo wrote:
Freelancer117 wrote:
Eligible voters have cast 31,294 votes for the CSM9, for CSM8 this number was 49,702 votes cast by eligible voters, and for CSM7 that was 59,109 votes cast by eligible voters......


..... and will be looking at new methods of communication to reach out to players that are currently not engaged with the CSM.



Please for the love of god give us an opt out of any further CSM communication. I really don't want to be reached out to.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#119 - 2014-05-09 20:23:05 UTC
Mandatory suffrage.
It is pretty simple.

Huge screens on logon in the last week that the voting is open, and you can't play until you vote.
Naturally, everyone will jump on this as a terrible idea, as people will vote for the first name on the ballot.

Too bad.

It is better than the mess we have now.
CCP Leeloo
C C P
C C P Alliance
#120 - 2014-05-09 20:24:35 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
CCP Leeloo wrote:
stuff

Could you clarify where voters from the Republic of Ireland are classified in that graph please?

It's under the"Other" part.

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