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25% dps drop for Gecko in Kronos

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Dave stark
#161 - 2014-05-09 07:41:53 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
actually, he changed his very definition

Yeah, that can happen when there's no official definition to work from, which is something you kind of need for your argument to hold any water.


it holds water fine.

if we removed everything that isn't a gecko change from the kronos expansion, then deployed kronos... well it'd be the fastest patch in the history of eve, and the gecko would remain as it is (because you know, not getting nerfed)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2014-05-09 08:04:39 UTC
Except when we add the other changes that aren't to the Gecko, suddenly the Gecko has 25% lower DPS.
It's directly affected by a change. That change may as well have been to it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dave stark
#163 - 2014-05-09 08:08:29 UTC
welcome to about 7 pages ago james. do try and keep up, dear.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#164 - 2014-05-09 08:27:25 UTC
I think CCP should remove the Gecko on patch day.

That way entitled prats will have no perceived nerf to complain about.
stoicfaux
#165 - 2014-05-09 11:48:00 UTC
Compromise: CCP introduces the Guristas Drone Specialization skill.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#166 - 2014-05-09 11:55:13 UTC
it is a dps nerf and noone should care since gecko's probably designed for kronos and the rattlesnake anyway. can we start complaining about something more important please this thead is sooooo boring
Pubbie Spy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#167 - 2014-05-09 18:03:54 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If we didn't get anything for EVE's birthday few would have noticed and even fewer would have cared.


James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Those were all pretty minor. I suppose the Gnosis does come close.

I mean I see your point but still, if you're going to release something, don't release it with blatantly inflated strength for a month just because you think it'll be nice.


James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The stats issue is a huge part of why I feel like they're gimmicks though. It would have been fine if they were released with realistic stats, but they weren't. They have artificially inflated stats for no reason other than the fact that they were released too early.


James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Except a month of overpowered drones that everyone gets has a much more profound effect on game balance than some AT prize ships that mostly won't even see combat at all outside of the AT.


James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except when we add the other changes that aren't to the Gecko, suddenly the Gecko has 25% lower DPS.
It's directly affected by a change. That change may as well have been to it.


Show us on the doll where the bad Gecko touched you.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2014-05-09 19:28:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Dave Stark wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
actually, he changed his very definition

Yeah, that can happen when there's no official definition to work from, which is something you kind of need for your argument to hold any water.


it holds water fine.

if we removed everything that isn't a gecko change from the kronos expansion, then deployed kronos... well it'd be the fastest patch in the history of eve, and the gecko would remain as it is (because you know, not getting nerfed)

Which means removing the drone interfacing changes and the compensation to the other drones to counteract it, which are the elements which constitute the Gecko nerf. Thus in that case, yes, there would be no gecko nerf as it effectiveness in the game as a whole would remain unchanged.
Dave stark
#169 - 2014-05-09 19:35:05 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Thus in that case, yes, there would be no gecko nerf as it effectiveness in the game as a whole would remain unchanged.


exactly, there is no gecko nerf.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2014-05-09 19:36:54 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Thus in that case, yes, there would be no gecko nerf as it effectiveness in the game as a whole would remain unchanged.


exactly, there is no gecko nerf.

Too bad that isn't what is happening and there is a gecko nerf. Also, selective quoting does not a valid argument make.
Dave stark
#171 - 2014-05-09 19:58:34 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Thus in that case, yes, there would be no gecko nerf as it effectiveness in the game as a whole would remain unchanged.


exactly, there is no gecko nerf.

Too bad that isn't what is happening and there is a gecko nerf. Also, selective quoting does not a valid argument make.

except there isn't a gecko nerf, read the thread.

i wouldn't have to selectively quote, if you'd read the thread and not **** post.
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#172 - 2014-05-09 20:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
You neckbeards are adorable, but you're shitposting your way through a thread that doesn't need it.

Here's what you need to do: start a new thread entitled "What is the definition of 'nerf'" and then get all junior high debate team in that thread. Be as oblivious and illogical as you want.

Hell, I'll start it for you: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4573104#post4573104

I am not an alt of Chribba.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2014-05-09 20:04:43 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Thus in that case, yes, there would be no gecko nerf as it effectiveness in the game as a whole would remain unchanged.


exactly, there is no gecko nerf.

Too bad that isn't what is happening and there is a gecko nerf. Also, selective quoting does not a valid argument make.

except there isn't a gecko nerf, read the thread.

i wouldn't have to selectively quote, if you'd read the thread and not **** post.

I've been involved in the thread quite a bit and responded to your claims on several occasions. I've been reading and responding. My conclusion was unchanged because as of yet you haven't countered the fact that the output of the drone is changing even if the base stats aren't.
Dave stark
#174 - 2014-05-09 20:05:29 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
the base stats aren't.

hence, it's not being nerfed.
you've been told several times.
Josef Djugashvilis
#175 - 2014-05-09 20:07:24 UTC
This thread should be locked for lack of content.

Please.

This is not a signature.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2014-05-09 20:08:01 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
the base stats aren't.

hence, it's not being nerfed.
you've been told several times.

Yes, it is. A nerf to a skill is a nerf to the items using that skill, conceded by even Tippia indirectly.
Dave stark
#177 - 2014-05-09 20:11:31 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
the base stats aren't.

hence, it's not being nerfed.
you've been told several times.

Yes, it is. A nerf to a skill is a nerf to the items using that skill, conceded by even Tippia indirectly.

nobody has ever denied that drone interfacing is being nerfed. in fact, we've pointed it out several times.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#178 - 2014-05-09 20:16:16 UTC
Dave's DPS may be low, but he's tanking like a trooper.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2014-05-09 20:16:27 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
the base stats aren't.

hence, it's not being nerfed.
you've been told several times.

Yes, it is. A nerf to a skill is a nerf to the items using that skill, conceded by even Tippia indirectly.

nobody has ever denied that drone interfacing is being nerfed. in fact, we've pointed it out several times.

Which is a nerf to all drones save those being compensated. The Gecko is not being compensated, thus it is being nerfed.
Dave stark
#180 - 2014-05-09 20:19:05 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
the base stats aren't.

hence, it's not being nerfed.
you've been told several times.

Yes, it is. A nerf to a skill is a nerf to the items using that skill, conceded by even Tippia indirectly.

nobody has ever denied that drone interfacing is being nerfed. in fact, we've pointed it out several times.

Which is a nerf to all drones save those being compensated. The Gecko is not being compensated, thus it is being nerfed.


no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.

you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts.