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Dev Blog: CSM 9 Results!

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2014-05-09 16:03:07 UTC
Psychotic Monk came close this year, pity he didn't get on.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Billy Hix
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#22 - 2014-05-09 16:04:53 UTC
At least Dolan has gone so there is a decent chance things will get better by next year.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#23 - 2014-05-09 16:06:05 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:

you're not in the cfc, why would you give a flip about what we think

i am talking about the leadership of your alliance failing to do their job in affecting the metagame


I think it's pretty hilarious that you are being serious about that quote.

Either that or I took the b8, good job I guess.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#24 - 2014-05-09 16:07:07 UTC
truly have i been puppetmastered this day
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2014-05-09 16:08:42 UTC
my initial analysis is: lol pubbies:

Quote:

Transfer from "Sion Kumitomo":
Votes: 4314.000000, Factor: 0.516226, Excess: 2227.000000
2116.011358 votes to "mynnna"
36.135837 votes to "Angry Mustache"
27.359991 votes to "Ali Aras"
6.710941 votes to "commander aze"
5.678489 votes to "PsychoBitch"
5.162262 votes to "Mike Azariah"
5.162262 votes to Exhausted

Transfer from "corebloodbrothers":
Votes: 2944.000000, Factor: 0.291101, Excess: 857.000000
507.388247 votes to Exhausted

Transfer from "mynnna":
Votes: 2902.011358, Factor: 0.280844, Excess: 815.011358
583.253075 votes to "Ali Aras"
114.498132 votes to "Angry Mustache"
20.121332 votes to Exhausted


thanks for not filling out your ballots highsec :toot:

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Dave Stark
#26 - 2014-05-09 16:09:07 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Psychotic Monk came close this year, pity he didn't get on.

indeed.
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#27 - 2014-05-09 16:11:05 UTC
After spending two days researching all the candidates I did not vote with any of my accounts because:
A) I did not find any candidates that I believed would be very beneficial to EVE.
B) I was too exhausted to pick the lesser of two evils.
C) I was not happy with CSM8.

The CSM XI Election are now open until March 25th, 2016. Consider Niko Lorenzio for CSM XI.

CSM matters, your voice matters, your vote matters!
CCP Leeloo
C C P
C C P Alliance
#28 - 2014-05-09 16:11:35 UTC
MailDeadDrop wrote:

And this conclusion (low turnout caused by lack of awareness) is supported by what evidence?
MDD

Mostly, by the feedback we've got from people who didn't vote.
Tarikla wrote:

- 1 Announcment in Launcher, for most of the time second/thrid slide, so not really effective
- 1 News at mid-election to inform that Elections were opened, quickly overshadowed by some DevBlogs
- No "In game Login Screen Announcment" like there was every single year before
- No Candidates who actually reached out in Game to High Sec. I remember having at least 1 or 2 CSM candidates sending Eve-Mails to as much people as they could, this year around no one did it.

Thank you for mentioning this. We are working on some of the stuff from this list and we will also be discussing this problem with the current CSM and with players of course! So if you have any suggestions, please feel free to throw them in my direction Smile

CCP Leeloo | Community Developer | @ccp_leeloo | leeloo@ccpgames.com
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-05-09 16:11:57 UTC
Destoya wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:

you're not in the cfc, why would you give a flip about what we think

i am talking about the leadership of your alliance failing to do their job in affecting the metagame


I think it's pretty hilarious that you are being serious about that quote.

Either that or I took the b8, good job I guess.


-1 for use of "b8"

I winced.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Dave Stark
#30 - 2014-05-09 16:12:51 UTC
time to make myself stupid; am i the only one that doesn't quite get this seemingly unnecessary STV system? especially since there weren't 14 people i wanted to vote for.

(think i'm one of the high sec people weasilor is laughing at for not filling my ballot)
Tarikla
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-05-09 16:17:52 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
time to make myself stupid; am i the only one that doesn't quite get this seemingly unnecessary STV system? especially since there weren't 14 people i wanted to vote for.

(think i'm one of the high sec people weasilor is laughing at for not filling my ballot)


Basically, once your number one get elected, any "overflowing" votes (aka votes that your number one candidate do not need to be elected) transfer to the number 2, then number 3, etc. The process stop when your vote is useful for a candidate.

So basically, if you only voted for very likely elected CSM, and did not fill your 14 votes, your vote has an high chance of just being wasted and basically, meaning nothing.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-05-09 16:18:24 UTC
Maybe an annual eve-mail with a roundup similar to something found here

Simply notifying people about it would help engage people.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2014-05-09 16:18:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
Dave Stark wrote:
time to make myself stupid; am i the only one that doesn't quite get this seemingly unnecessary STV system? especially since there weren't 14 people i wanted to vote for.

(think i'm one of the high sec people weasilor is laughing at for not filling my ballot)

the point of STV is so that you don't suffer by not strategically voting, either by voting for someone who will get on anyway or who isn't viable

as a goon, if I want to vote in a first past the post system we have to carefully organize splitting our votes, or most would be wasted (sion got more than double the votes needed to get on)

highsec, on the other hand, has to carefully consolidate around people who might get elected or their vote is dispersed among ten non-viable candidates when they could have gotten two on

it's harder to fill out the ballot, but it's easier to make your choices: you don't have to strategically vote so you just rank as many candidates as you want instead of carefully weighing who you like and their viability

however if you don't fill out enough your vote was wasted: basically voter who filled out several spots on their list got much more voting power than core's voters. my vote almost assuredly was used to elect mynnna or sion. a core voter's vote has about a 1/4th chance of having been flushed down the toilet

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#34 - 2014-05-09 16:19:35 UTC
Will we see a number of votes cast vs total eligible voter metric? I'm curious.
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#35 - 2014-05-09 16:20:46 UTC
Billy Hix wrote:
At least Dolan has gone so there is a decent chance things will get better by next year.


Dolan is leaving Community team? Why? I thought he was doing a great job.

The CSM XI Election are now open until March 25th, 2016. Consider Niko Lorenzio for CSM XI.

CSM matters, your voice matters, your vote matters!
Dave Stark
#36 - 2014-05-09 16:21:16 UTC
Tarikla wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
time to make myself stupid; am i the only one that doesn't quite get this seemingly unnecessary STV system? especially since there weren't 14 people i wanted to vote for.

(think i'm one of the high sec people weasilor is laughing at for not filling my ballot)


Basically, once your number one get elected, any "overflowing" votes (aka votes that your number one candidate do not need to be elected) transfer to the number 2, then number 3, etc. The process stop when your vote is useful for a candidate.

So basically, if you only voted for very likely elected CSM, and did not fill your 14 votes, your vote has an high chance of just being wasted and basically, meaning nothing.


sounds like mine was wasted, which is nice to hear when voter turnout is lower than previously.

fill your ballot: people you don't really want on the csm get your votes.
don't fill your ballot: your vote is wasted.

i guess it's easy to see why people can feel so apathetic towards the elections.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2014-05-09 16:21:26 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Psychotic Monk came close this year, pity he didn't get on.


tbh it looks like a pretty decent slate.

I'm hoping for another rather boring year of relatively drama free contructive work from a professional team.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#38 - 2014-05-09 16:21:58 UTC
stv owns if you are us

the csm where we elected the mittani and vile rat (rip) we had to use a janky-ass interstitial on goonfleet dot com to properly split the vote

now we can just put forth a single ticket for everyone and the vote automatically gets split amongst our preferred candidates

so thanks again to the people who suggested it, iirc it was people who were not us who thought it was a good idea primarily but I could be wrong
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2014-05-09 16:22:05 UTC
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
Billy Hix wrote:
At least Dolan has gone so there is a decent chance things will get better by next year.


Dolan is leaving Community team? Why? I thought he was doing a great job.

he's going to riot

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#40 - 2014-05-09 16:22:16 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tarikla wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
time to make myself stupid; am i the only one that doesn't quite get this seemingly unnecessary STV system? especially since there weren't 14 people i wanted to vote for.

(think i'm one of the high sec people weasilor is laughing at for not filling my ballot)


Basically, once your number one get elected, any "overflowing" votes (aka votes that your number one candidate do not need to be elected) transfer to the number 2, then number 3, etc. The process stop when your vote is useful for a candidate.

So basically, if you only voted for very likely elected CSM, and did not fill your 14 votes, your vote has an high chance of just being wasted and basically, meaning nothing.


sounds like mine was wasted, which is nice to hear when voter turnout is lower than previously.

fill your ballot: people you don't really want on the csm get your votes.
don't fill your ballot: your vote is wasted.

i guess it's easy to see why people can feel so apathetic towards the elections.


Why can't CCP only let people I like run for elections?

Then I wouldn't even have to vote.



Voting is a lot of work and it's pretty hard.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016