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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#381 - 2014-05-09 15:44:59 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
CCP states that voting was down this time, dignificantly.


At least thats good news

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#382 - 2014-05-09 15:55:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
CCP states that voting was down this time, significantly.


At least thats good news


Not really, the numbers show the average age of the voter increased from last time, meaning there were fewer noobs/alts voting. Combined with lower concurrency numbers, this suggests that there were simply fewer new accounts.

CCP did not release, this time, the number of votes placed compared to the number of eligible voters, suggesting that subs are, as Dinsdale suggests, down.
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#383 - 2014-05-09 15:56:05 UTC
There's still a CSM?

Pity.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#384 - 2014-05-09 15:59:00 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:

Not really, the numbers show the average age of the voter increased from last time, meaning there were fewer noobs/alts voting. Combined with lower concurrency numbers, this suggests that there were simply fewer new accounts.

CCP did not release, this time, the number of votes placed compared to the number of eligible voters, suggesting that subs are, as Dinsdale suggests, down.


Suggests does not mean that this means anything

And using something Dinsdale suggests to support that point of view, well, I just wont go there lol

Suffice to say, Im just happy that voter turnout is down.

Long may interest wane.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#385 - 2014-05-09 16:00:15 UTC
I'm curious to see what June 30ths Financial report brings. Last year CCP only made 300k in profit as of their June 30 report, and Concurrency was much higher then.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#386 - 2014-05-09 16:02:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Nam Dnilb wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So, now that Dolan is history, what is the over / under on the CSM results? Saturday, Sunday, June, October?


My money is on never.


I hope you weren't too attached to your money.

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm9-presenting-the-new-council-members-election-data-and-officer-changes/

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#387 - 2014-05-09 16:07:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Malcanis wrote:


I hope you weren't too attached to your money.

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm9-presenting-the-new-council-members-election-data-and-officer-changes/



Sorry, Malcanis, you were Ninja'd previous page.


Ramona McCandless wrote:

Suggests does not mean that this means anything

And using something Dinsdale suggests to support that point of view, well, I just wont go there lol

Suffice to say, Im just happy that voter turnout is down.

Long may interest wane.



Actually your putting the cart before the horse. I'm not using Dinsdale's suggestion to imply the numbers are right, I'm stating the numbers imply Dinsdale's suggestion might have some basis in reality.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#388 - 2014-05-09 16:11:40 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:

Interestingly, the second largest block of voters was 30 day old accounts. CCP states that voting was down this time, significantly.


This is my surprised face.

And CCP really believes the bad voter turnout was simply due to a lack of player awareness about the CSM. This is an interesting position to put forward when all those new eggs seemed to be aware enough to vote.

I would expect most official communication from CCP for the rest of the next year to be sprinkled with praise about how good a job the CSM is doing "representing" players. I would not be surprised if we see a blog or even a video dedicated to that purpose to reinforce the propaganda.







☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#389 - 2014-05-09 16:12:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Ramona McCandless wrote:

And using something Dinsdale suggests to support that point of view, well, I just wont go there lol


Since she was suggesting last page we leave POS towers full of unpiloted Supercaps lying around, its not surprising Dinsdale has a listener here.

NOTE: I am a fair man, I am more that willing to be proven wrong on this subject. By all means, please direct me to a Goonswarm Federation POS with an unpiloted Supercapital (Aeon preferred) sitting in it. If you do so, I will openly apologise Cygnet for mocking your opinion, and will be forever chastised Big smile
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#390 - 2014-05-09 16:15:46 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:

Interestingly, the second largest block of voters was 30 day old accounts. CCP states that voting was down this time, significantly.


This is my surprised face.

And CCP really believes the bad voter turnout was simply due to a lack of player awareness about the CSM. This is an interesting position to put forward when all those new eggs seemed to be aware enough to vote.

I would expect most official communication from CCP for the rest of the next year to be sprinkled with praise about how good a job the CSM is doing "representing" players. I would not be surprised if we see a blog or even a video dedicated to that purpose to reinforce the propaganda.


Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#391 - 2014-05-09 16:16:53 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


I hope you weren't too attached to your money.

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm9-presenting-the-new-council-members-election-data-and-officer-changes/



Sorry, Malcanis, you were Ninja'd previous page.


Ramona McCandless wrote:

Suggests does not mean that this means anything

And using something Dinsdale suggests to support that point of view, well, I just wont go there lol

Suffice to say, Im just happy that voter turnout is down.

Long may interest wane.



Actually your putting the cart before the horse. I'm not using Dinsdale's suggestion to imply the numbers are right, I'm stating the numbers imply Dinsdale's suggestion might have some basis in reality.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


Fair enough, I accept your position

However, I and those who felt similar didnt bother voting this year at all but we have no intetion of unsubbing, so its cool, I know I may not be representitive of the majority

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Dave Stark
#392 - 2014-05-09 16:17:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?

yes.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#393 - 2014-05-09 16:19:00 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?



I think whats really being said by some of us (I may be reading Doc wrong) is that a democratic process is not necessarily the best way to select those who want to make the game better.

That said, those (inc yourself) that Ive heard speak on various subjects seem to have it close to your hearts, so something is working.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#394 - 2014-05-09 16:19:29 UTC
Just so I'm getting the tinfoil straight here, the point is that it's *not* possible that they've simply done a good job getting the message out to new players, and that most of the abstains are just people embittered that they can't auto win by being highsec?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Marsha Mallow
#395 - 2014-05-09 16:20:04 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Considering how often losing them that way is whined about, yes.

en24 reader detected.

Regarding the voting stats that is a real shame it's so low. Voter apathy is pretty common in my age group and generation, but these decreases are a concern. Having said that I don't think CCP promoted the elections all that well this year, and reading the candidate agendas was a bit of a marathon. Perhaps some streamlining needs to take place. I was thinking something like the corp finder ingame where you can filter to specifics (areas of expertise etc).

Speaking of which, would the ability to vote ingame help? It's not as though the forums are accessed by the majority. I'm starting to lean towards single person votes as well rather than account based. With numbers so low it's giving multiple account holders way too much power. I don't really see why players under 6 months old should be allowed to vote either, perhaps an unfair sentiment but v0v most electoral systems have age limits. Using a voting system based on players rather than accounts might reflect poorly from a PR point of view in subsequent years if it shows a huge drop, but we don't actually need to see raw numbers. Percentages would work.

I wonder how those nationality of voters stats tally with nationality of registered account holders, just out of curiosity.

Oh and before you start screeching 'the end is nigh, I was right all along' Dinsdale, be careful to note a lot of nullsec players remarked there were hardly any bloc candidates this year, and a lot of people with relatively low profiles.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#396 - 2014-05-09 16:25:24 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?

yes.


What an unhappy world you live in.

Let me be your little ray of sunshine by assuring that we do and we did (well, 13 of us anyway)

I hope that has brightened your bleak, hopeless existence just a little, even if the sheer evanesence of the experience only served to deepen your gloom by contrasting it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#397 - 2014-05-09 16:26:17 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?



I think whats really being said by some of us (I may be reading Doc wrong) is that a democratic process is not necessarily the best way to select those who want to make the game better.

That said, those (inc yourself) that Ive heard speak on various subjects seem to have it close to your hearts, so something is working.


Perhaps I'm biased, but democracy produced a pretty good team last year.

It's a truism that every nation gets the government it deserves.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#398 - 2014-05-09 16:26:25 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Just so I'm getting the tinfoil straight here, the point is that it's *not* possible that they've simply done a good job getting the message out to new players, and that most of the abstains are just people embittered that they can't auto win by being highsec?



The major complaint that CCP has admitted was an issue was that people didn't know it was going on, due to the announcements being buried rather frequently. That 'new' players might magically have known more than anyone else seems a bit odd and suggests that a lot of alt voting went on, which is in line with what goons were claiming earlier.

We don't have the needed demographics to be certain, but it's a fair bet that you'd see that 30 and 120 day accounts are wildly disproportionate to other account ages, if we did.
Dave Stark
#399 - 2014-05-09 16:26:58 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?

yes.


What an unhappy world you live in.

Let me be your little ray of sunshine by assuring that we do and we did (well, 13 of us anyway)

I hope that has brightened your bleak, hopeless existence just a little, even if the sheer evanesence of the experience only served to deepen your gloom by contrasting it.

you're in an npc corp and this is the eve-o forums.
i love you malc, but as you can see... i can't take your posts seriously.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#400 - 2014-05-09 16:28:37 UTC
I'm on holiday and slumming it with the dirty skanks of the Deep Core red light district.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016