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Combat Drone Operation Being Effectively Removed from the Game

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Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-05-09 12:27:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Medalyn Isis
I'll probably get flamed for this, but to me it seems Combat Drone Operation is now being removed from the game although no SP reimbursement as in the case of learning skills.

I refer to this devblog - http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/giving-drones-an-assist/

Originally it stated that combat drone operation will be converted into light drone and medium drone operation skills, and scout drone skill will be converted into drone avionics. That made sense and seemed to be fair.

A later statement by Fozzie stated that now only the scout drone operation is required and its current level will be transposed onto the three new skills.

So now to me it seems Combat Drone Operation has no further use and is effectively being removed from the game when the summer changes hit.

Like I say I'll probably get flamed for this, but any chance of a response from CCP Fozzie? It seems the Devblog thread has now been unstickied and no longer being read by the Devs.

Thanks.

Illustrates examples of where CDO will have no value after skills are transitioned - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4571435#post4571435

Quote from Fozzie detailing the new skill transition arrangement.

CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#2 - 2014-05-09 12:32:27 UTC
But they are splitting it. Pretty sure you will be gaining SP if anything.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-05-09 12:33:34 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
I second this.

Edit: No I don't.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-05-09 12:34:21 UTC
Karen Avioras wrote:
But they are splitting it. Pretty sure you will be gaining SP if anything.

They're not splitting it. They're removing it.
Whether I gain or lose SP is meaningless.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-05-09 12:37:34 UTC
Does anybody care?

As Fozzie stated, scout drone or combat drone (whichever is higher) dictates the new skill levels.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.

Dave stark
#6 - 2014-05-09 12:38:25 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Does anybody care?

no.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2014-05-09 12:38:46 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but to me it seems Combat Drone Operation is now being removed from the game although no SP reimbursement as in the case of learning skills.
You're not getting any SP reimbursed because you will be given the same abilities through the new skills that replace CDO (and which are worth more SP).

Both the blog and the subsequent dev posts make this fairly clear.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-05-09 12:41:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but to me it seems Combat Drone Operation is now being removed from the game although no SP reimbursement as in the case of learning skills.
You're not getting any SP reimbursed because you will be given the same abilities through the new skills that replace CDO (and which are worth more SP).

Both the blog and the subsequent dev posts make this fairly clear.

And when they removed learning skills, they also gave everyone the same abilities.
Yet they still reimbursed the SP.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Dave stark
#9 - 2014-05-09 12:42:35 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but to me it seems Combat Drone Operation is now being removed from the game although no SP reimbursement as in the case of learning skills.
You're not getting any SP reimbursed because you will be given the same abilities through the new skills that replace CDO (and which are worth more SP).

Both the blog and the subsequent dev posts make this fairly clear.

And when they removed learning skills, they also gave everyone the same abilities.
Yet they still reimbursed the SP.


because the "same abilities" weren't in the form of skills.
Victor Andall
#10 - 2014-05-09 12:42:47 UTC
"Hey, I skimmed a dev blog!"
- OP, cca 2014

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.

Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-05-09 12:43:04 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Does anybody care?

As Fozzie stated, scout drone or combat drone (whichever is higher) dictates the new skill levels.

Yes I am sure some people do care. It equates to 512,000 SP, which isn't a lot for veterens with 100mil plus, but for newer players it isn't insignificant.

I'm more thinking on a matter of principle though, if a skill is removed from the game then it should be reimbursed.

After this change, the combat drone skill will serve no purpose as scout drone operation will fulfil all the roles which were filled by combat drone operation previously.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-05-09 12:43:35 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but to me it seems Combat Drone Operation is now being removed from the game although no SP reimbursement as in the case of learning skills.
You're not getting any SP reimbursed because you will be given the same abilities through the new skills that replace CDO (and which are worth more SP).

Both the blog and the subsequent dev posts make this fairly clear.

And when they removed learning skills, they also gave everyone the same abilities.
Yet they still reimbursed the SP.


because the "same abilities" weren't in the form of skills.

What difference does that make?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#13 - 2014-05-09 12:44:15 UTC
Yeah but they reimbursed in that case due to the fact that even new players would be gaining the same effect without ever having to train it.

Since we actually invested time into it, they were nice enough to toss the SP back our way.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-05-09 12:45:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
[You're not getting any SP reimbursed because you will be given the same abilities through the new skills that replace CDO (and which are worth more SP).

So that sounds identical to the situation when learning skills were removed. No one lost out there, but the learning skill was removed and everyone was reimbursed.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2014-05-09 12:45:40 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
And when they removed learning skills, they also gave everyone the same abilities.
…which makes it almost completely unlike this case, where only those who have trained the skills retain their abilities.

With learning skills, a trainable ability was removed — the SP that went into getting that ability was reimbursed.
With the drone skills, the trainable ability is being shifted to new skills — the SP that went into that ability is shifted to the new skills and increased.
Dave stark
#16 - 2014-05-09 12:46:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but to me it seems Combat Drone Operation is now being removed from the game although no SP reimbursement as in the case of learning skills.
You're not getting any SP reimbursed because you will be given the same abilities through the new skills that replace CDO (and which are worth more SP).

Both the blog and the subsequent dev posts make this fairly clear.

And when they removed learning skills, they also gave everyone the same abilities.
Yet they still reimbursed the SP.


because the "same abilities" weren't in the form of skills.

What difference does that make?


replacing skills = nothing to refund
removing skills = something to refund.

learning skills were removed, drone skills are being replaced.

hell, if you didn't bother training the higher rank skill, but you trained the lower rank skill to V, you're already getting free SP.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#17 - 2014-05-09 12:46:40 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
[You're not getting any SP reimbursed because you will be given the same abilities through the new skills that replace CDO (and which are worth more SP).

So that sounds identical to the situation when learning skills were removed. No one lost out there, but the learning skill was removed and everyone was reimbursed.


Actually is more like when they split destroyer and bc skills.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-05-09 12:48:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
And when they removed learning skills, they also gave everyone the same abilities.
…which makes it almost completely unlike this case, where only those who have trained the skills retain their abilities.

No, only those that trained one skill. The other skill is being removed.

Tippia wrote:
With the drone skills, the trainable ability is being shifted to new skills — the SP that went into that ability is shifted to the new skills and increased.

No, it isn't.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2014-05-09 12:48:34 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
So that sounds identical to the situation when learning skills were removed.
…apart from in almost every detail, since that was a removal of skills and a hand-out of bonuses to everyone, whereas this is a replacement of skills, where only those who have trained anything retains their abilities.

So no. Like JC says, it's more like the BC/Destroyer split: old skills out, new skills in, old abilities transformed into new ones.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#20 - 2014-05-09 12:50:34 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
I think I see what he (James) is saying.

So in my case I have 5 in both of those skills, yet will only be getting one skill at 5 in return?
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