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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#361 - 2014-05-08 22:51:24 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Finding a new crop of Cabal members is exactly why I do it. However, based on the insane amount of mechanics and market knowledge it requires they are special unicorns rarer than FCs. At scale you tend to only manipulate the largest markets in EVE because nothing else holds your own wealth much less the other hundreds of people following you in the market.

It isn't so much individuals who have wealth that matter as they don't impact the galaxy. Its the guys steering hundreds of producers, marketeers, investors at a time that do.

Fair play, but despite enjoying a degree of collaboration some of us do genuinely treat this side of the game as one of wits, luck and strategy and prefer to do so without interference. It's one of the few areas you can carve a niche in solo. There are always upsides to collaboration, but the point for some of us is to win or lose based upon our own choices, and being spoonfed can dilute that experience. Galaxy wide manips and control are fine and I've no doubt awesome, but it's a second job involving a lot of people. In some ways it's less rewarding than discovering things for yourself and nipping in to harvest quietly. Niche markets are still out there with only a handful of players you can either collaborate with or terrorise.

In a hyper-capitalist universe I'd be wary of assuming major nullsec blocs can completely dominate individuals with equal wealth/expertise across the entire market. Just because individual players don't deliberately act as a unit doesn't mean they can't be a problem in various spheres (particularly if they spot certain trends).

Nobody look at his eyes, he's trying to recruit you into the cartel to be a slave. But in all seriousness, some of Dinsdale's concerns re the subordination of individual playstyles to large group mechanics I agree with in spirit. We can be wage slaves IRL, ingame we can be independent if we want, and that choice should be preserved to a degree.

The point he misses is that if we choose to play as independents we have to accept the risk resides exclusively with us and be prepared to take it, otherwise our activities are less profitable/effiicient. As an enterprise solo ISK making is one of the purest forms of PVP ingame imo and should not be confused with mindless zombie farming. We're often fighting/competing with blocs or individuals with vast reserves we can't see or predict. Which is fine by me v0v

Tippia wrote:
On the one hand, they're evil and clever enough to subvert an entire game company with the intention of running it into the ground, and on the other hand, they apparently can't do simple maths. Ugh

This argument also assumes the rest of us are gormless morons, the battle is already lost, so the only counter is to whine to CCP about how unfair it is. That we are collectively stupid, lazy, disorganised and cowardly. And we're doomed. *Snore* Funny how the rest of us who are prepared to fight - have always been fighting at various levels - are unconcerned.


I am not suggesting there aren't niches at all. However, any market we go into we are going in with some advantage the "little guy" isn't going to have. Niche gameplay is how I got my start so I remember quite well how much fun it was for me at that time. Unfortunately those things don't scale. The things that do scale? There Be Dragons

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#362 - 2014-05-08 22:56:39 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aryth wrote:
The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony.
I wasn't aware of this part, I knew that you produced stuff in highsec, just not the scale of your operations.

one build system was an anomolously huge dot on one "where things are built" map

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#363 - 2014-05-08 22:59:58 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aryth wrote:
The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony.
I wasn't aware of this part, I knew that you produced stuff in highsec, just not the scale of your operations.

one build system was an anomolously huge dot on one "where things are built" map


Now just that. But based on the # we knew we were a non-trivial part of that dot. Trillions churned in that system.

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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#364 - 2014-05-08 23:15:02 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aryth wrote:
The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony.
I wasn't aware of this part, I knew that you produced stuff in highsec, just not the scale of your operations.

one build system was an anomolously huge dot on one "where things are built" map


Now just that. But based on the # we knew we were a non-trivial part of that dot. Trillions churned in that system.



Are we secretly neighbors?
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#365 - 2014-05-08 23:39:48 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aryth wrote:
The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony.
I wasn't aware of this part, I knew that you produced stuff in highsec, just not the scale of your operations.

one build system was an anomolously huge dot on one "where things are built" map


Now just that. But based on the # we knew we were a non-trivial part of that dot. Trillions churned in that system.



Are we secretly neighbors?

probably
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#366 - 2014-05-08 23:43:00 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:

10 years of growth contradicts every one that has ever said that.


Concurrency numbers dispute that 'ten years of growth'. Unless there are an ever increasing number of paying subs that never log in.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#367 - 2014-05-08 23:44:40 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
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Are we secretly neighbors?

probably




Does the system start with a M, and is it 1 jump from jita
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#368 - 2014-05-09 00:06:06 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
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Are we secretly neighbors?

probably




Does the system start with a M, and is it 1 jump from jita


It does indeed.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#369 - 2014-05-09 04:11:22 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

10 years of growth contradicts every one that has ever said that.


Concurrency numbers dispute that 'ten years of growth'. Unless there are an ever increasing number of paying subs that never log in.


Supercap/cap alt numbers tend to grow and not log in unless there is a thing to do. So yeah actually this is happening.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#370 - 2014-05-09 05:10:17 UTC
So, now that Dolan is history, what is the over / under on the CSM results? Saturday, Sunday, June, October?

I can see now why they have not been released.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#371 - 2014-05-09 09:08:06 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So, now that Dolan is history, what is the over / under on the CSM results? Saturday, Sunday, June, October?

I can see now why they have not been released.


holy **** you said something reasonable

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Dave Stark
#372 - 2014-05-09 11:03:24 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

10 years of growth contradicts every one that has ever said that.


Concurrency numbers dispute that 'ten years of growth'. Unless there are an ever increasing number of paying subs that never log in.


of course there is; look at dr E's presentation at fanfest. you can quite clearly see that more supercaps are being produced than destroyed. as far as i'm aware, people don't log in and ship spin with those.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#373 - 2014-05-09 13:39:52 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:

of course there is; look at dr E's presentation at fanfest. you can quite clearly see that more supercaps are being produced than destroyed. as far as i'm aware, people don't log in and ship spin with those.


That's based on the assumption that every supercap produced is using either a cap alt or a cyno alt instead of being stored as a war reserve at POS.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#374 - 2014-05-09 13:44:30 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

of course there is; look at dr E's presentation at fanfest. you can quite clearly see that more supercaps are being produced than destroyed. as far as i'm aware, people don't log in and ship spin with those.


That's based on the assumption that every supercap produced is using either a cap alt or a cyno alt instead of being stored as a war reserve at POS.


A clear demonstration of how little you know about how the game works. I don't think I could have done a better job showing it than you just did yourself.

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Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#375 - 2014-05-09 14:10:29 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So, now that Dolan is history, what is the over / under on the CSM results? Saturday, Sunday, June, October?


My money is on never.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#376 - 2014-05-09 15:31:42 UTC
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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#377 - 2014-05-09 15:37:58 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So, now that Dolan is history, what is the over / under on the CSM results? Saturday, Sunday, June, October?.


Does it matter? You will only spin them to fit whatever ridiculous troll-theory you are pedaling

The worst thing is, responding to you makes me worse than you.

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#378 - 2014-05-09 15:40:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Ok, surprisingly the numbers are out.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm9-presenting-the-new-council-members-election-data-and-officer-changes/

Interestingly, the second largest block of voters was 30 day old accounts. CCP states that voting was down this time, significantly.
Dave Stark
#379 - 2014-05-09 15:41:20 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

of course there is; look at dr E's presentation at fanfest. you can quite clearly see that more supercaps are being produced than destroyed. as far as i'm aware, people don't log in and ship spin with those.


That's based on the assumption that every supercap produced is using either a cap alt or a cyno alt instead of being stored as a war reserve at POS.

did you just suggest that people leave ships worth billions of isk just sat, unpiloted, in poses?

please tell me you didn't just suggest that.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#380 - 2014-05-09 15:42:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
La Nariz wrote:
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A clear demonstration of how little you know about how the game works. I don't think I could have done a better job showing it than you just did yourself.


If that's 'how the game works' how does that make Eve different from 'Pay To Win'?

Though personally I doubt that' 'how the game works' but rather 'how Goonswarm does things'.


Dave Stark wrote:

did you just suggest that people leave ships worth billions of isk just sat, unpiloted, in poses?

please tell me you didn't just suggest that.


Considering how often losing them that way is whined about, yes.