EVE General Discussion

Kinda seems like they aren't. On a professional level isn't this a bit irresponsible?

The original vision for player owned deadspace areas with modular POS's didn't have one. The "vision" for this, as very few people remember, resulted in a kind of pvpve experience. This is all but forgotten now, and clearly it went nowhere because it was just an idea in someones head that nobody bothered to actually sit down and hammer out.

Incarna didn't have one. They STILL don't know what they want to do with the WiS component. This ultimately resulted in the inability to create a product anybody wanted.

Dust/Legion didn't have one. They speak vaguely of things like PvE and sandbox areas yet have never been able to say anything concrete about how they are connected to big picture of new eden or how the gameplay works. The inability to clearly state what was wanted out of the game early on also resulted in several years of development time being wasted on hardware that couldn't go anywhere with it, as well as the procurement of an engine that can't do anything on a grand scale easily.

Valkyrie clearly doesn't have one, as that was an experiment that just sorta happened and took off. It might be the only project that really justifies not having a design document as its success was kinda bred out of thin air.

I can't help but think that Seagull's vision for EVE, pretty as it may be, is probably also lacking in design. It might be incorrect to say that, but, given the track record it's not really unreasonable to assume so either.

The lack of knowing where we are going is troubling to me. I feel like we're always traveling with a compass but never a map.

Well, that was insightful.

I heard the forums were for discussing things too.

Have I been lead wrong this whole time?!

They aren't based on assumptions at all.

CCP has gone on record numerous times saying they don't have designs laid out for certain things, just ideas.

As this is directly related to EVE, it is not OOPE.

I also prefer to worry about internal paperwork and development processes of CCP instead of playing their game.

Any sane person knows that CCP doesnt make the game, we do, they just give us tools to do it. Anything they have designed or dreamed of doing for a purpose you can be sure the players will do the exact opposite.

And why would there be no design documentation? Because it isn't published in public? Errrrhhh...

Well obviously, because the EVE player base is so entitled that everything CCP works on better be public knowledge, or we're gonna rage until there's no tommorow.

'No campaign plan survives first contact with the enemy.' (Moltke) is I believe what you wanted to say.

Actually, the modular pos redesign was scrapped because when they took a look at the pos code, they kinda went 'oh crap, if we change this it will break x,y,z. So we need to fix x, y, z. CCP has stated numerous times why they have not fixed pos'. People just don't listen.



Incarna had a vision, but for some reason ccp scrapped the engine they were making and decided to use a premade one. There vision for incarnia got changed. They rolled it out and had plans to add more to it, but due to the microtransactions and greed is good memo, the player base told ccp to **** off till they fix space ships. So that's what they did. In this case, it was the players that changed course.



This one is simple to answer. Dust had a roadmap. But ccp was afraid that if dust was a total failure, and it was linked to eve in a meaningful way that it could kill eve. Which is understandable. They had thoughts on expanding dust. But they looked at the model last year, which was 'eve everwhere' and decided this was not what they should be doing. So now they are doing unified theory if you will. Eve universe on pc. Hence the start of legion. I also suspect, that there was limits to what the ps3 and even ps4 can do when compaired to what they wish to do with Dust/Legion. They were willing to work withen thouse limits because they figured it they get eve into more mediums, they would in turn get more money, but when they changed there vision, Dust no longer fit into it as is.



Did you not see the keynote and the panels on valk? They actually have a vision for it, it had to go through a few changes, but they have an idea on how it will tie in and work in eve.



Again you must of missed the keynote. They laided out the entire roadmap as to how they will get us to the player built star gates. They also explained why things like pos' and sov have not been touched yet.

You are not a big stakeholder of CCP. You are not an investor, stock holder, or employee. Thus your opinion as a customer, in the grand scheme of things, is 1/500,000 (based on accounts) and of that number you are less then 20% of what matters when ccp as a company makes a descision on future vision. The fact that ccp even shares any ideas with us, no matter how hair brained and undo able *cough* constalation and regional sov *cough* is awesome.

I would much rather ccp change vision and ideas when they make mistakes or realize that they can not do something, then plow on ahead into deeper failure. My biggest issue with ccp, in the 10 years I have been here, is the half assed stuff. Ideasa that come into game that are suppose to be v1 then are left for years to collect dust. Or ideas that just plan suck and take years to scrap, like again, constalation sov.

I personally think, the 2014 vision, of unified eve, is the clearest and easiest one that ccp has EVER come up with. I am quite happy with the roadmap, of fixing corp and alliances roles, then pos, then sov, then gates. If ccp pulls it off, and links Eve, Valk, Legion/Dust in a meaningful and unified way, that they will be able to kick the snot out of any other game that's coming into the field. Track record however says they will prolly change course next year. But we will see. This pah, the future of eve looks bright, I just hope they can pull it off.