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I'm stubborn and want to fly my darned hulk, without exploding!

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Ilovetomine
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-05-09 07:17:30 UTC
TL;DR- Rage about inability to safely-ish fly a hulk in empire, and does anyone have a hulk fit that outyields a mackinaw, but can survive a gank.


A bit of carebear in me today came out, and I honestly think It is justified. I was mulling around the idea of flying a mackinaw, when I was just struck by a pang of annoyance, and regret.

Why should I be forced into a fleet scenario with a Hulk, when that's what I want to fly.

I get what retort will be coming, Why cant I fly X because Y, even though its actually meant for Z.


But seriously though. Unless I have a fleet of friends, live in nullsec, or have an alt repping me(I thought about sacrificing a high slot or 2 for remote shield transfers on my orca), I can't actually fly my Hulk without being gangled.


I really just don't want to be that mindless Mackinaw Borg, just like everyone else. But If I want to fly my hulk (literally paper thin at 12.000-ish EHP), I have to have friends.


I lieu of this, does anyone have a hulk fit, that out yields that of a mackinaw, that can live through a catalyst gank?
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#2 - 2014-05-09 07:20:41 UTC
Permit tank it.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-05-09 07:22:11 UTC
You should be perfectly safe mining Veldspar in a rookie system, provided any asteroids respawn.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#4 - 2014-05-09 07:26:36 UTC
Don't be Mackinaw Borg, fly procurer or skiff. Sweet 70k and 100k ehp respectively, nothing to sneeze at.

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Ilovetomine
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-05-09 07:29:12 UTC
I see what you mean miss bastanoid, but yield is what I want. And you can't do it in a hulk, unless you risk exploding. Which they always do.


And I refuse to bend to a pirate and buy a permit.

If you meant however, to perma tank it, That is how it is fit, but I have not tested its tank vs a catalyst.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#6 - 2014-05-09 07:36:45 UTC
Hulk will pop if not to one than to 2 or 3 cats and cats more often than not fly in packs so choice is yours, yield or survival - and in my opinion there is only one correct answer.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-05-09 07:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiwha
Yeah, that's your choice. Mine in a hulk, or get a safe barge.


Or daytrip into WH's to mine. They're really quite safe. Except when they're not safe, they're REALLY REALLY not safe.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Ilovetomine
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-05-09 07:45:41 UTC
exactly my understanding Schmata. That's what I am saying. There is no survivability whatsoever on the hulk, unless its vs null rats.

Problem stated being that only mackinaws mine in empire, and its yield will soon me trumped by hulk even more than what it is. But at the cost that the Hulk will still have no tank.

So you cannot fly hulks in empire without fleet support/lots of alts.

So even though mack will be king of survival, whats the point of owning a hulk and trying to mine in it, if you are forced to mine in a mack.

With the mack yield nerf, you might as well do mission.

Personally I find mining to be relaxing. I watch movies, read, etc. But still don't ever leave my desktop. I was far too used to baby sitting myself in null systems back in the north.

I can honestly see where this debate could go in endless circles. I am just curious as to why CCP keeps isolating the hulk in respect to empire mining.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#9 - 2014-05-09 07:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Domanique Altares
Versus a single catalyst?

[Hulk, Here Toy Go]
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I
Internal Force Field Array I

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

37/38k EHP vs. CNAM/Void respectively. A single catalyst is unlikely to gank you before CONCORD comes. It yields 1209 at all Vs, which is only slightly less than a similarly fit Mack with two MLUs.

ETA: This is at current specs. I have not taken into account the coming changes to mining/mining ships, because I don't care squat about them; YMMV. But you can tank just about any mining vessel to survive a single Catalyst. I don't know anyone serious about ganking that's going to come for you in just one, however.
Dave stark
#10 - 2014-05-09 07:47:12 UTC
Ilovetomine wrote:
Why should I be forced into a fleet scenario with a Hulk, when that's what I want to fly.

because you want to fly a ship designed to be used in a fleet.

it's like me asking why i have to unlock my door with a key, rather than a rasher of bacon.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2014-05-09 07:48:33 UTC
Ilovetomine wrote:
TL;DR- Rage about inability to safely-ish fly a hulk in empire, and does anyone have a hulk fit that outyields a mackinaw, but can survive a gank.


A bit of carebear in me today came out, and I honestly think It is justified. I was mulling around the idea of flying a mackinaw, when I was just struck by a pang of annoyance, and regret.

Why should I be forced into a fleet scenario with a Hulk, when that's what I want to fly.

I get what retort will be coming, Why cant I fly X because Y, even though its actually meant for Z.


But seriously though. Unless I have a fleet of friends, live in nullsec, or have an alt repping me(I thought about sacrificing a high slot or 2 for remote shield transfers on my orca), I can't actually fly my Hulk without being gangled.


I really just don't want to be that mindless Mackinaw Borg, just like everyone else. But If I want to fly my hulk (literally paper thin at 12.000-ish EHP), I have to have friends.


I lieu of this, does anyone have a hulk fit, that out yields that of a mackinaw, that can live through a catalyst gank?


You're not "forced" into a fleet scenario, any more than you're "forced" to use a dominix as a drone boat. It's just that fleet operations are what the Hulk is optimised for. If you insist on using your Domi as a gun platform, you're free to do so; it just won't be as effective as a Megathron at it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#12 - 2014-05-09 07:49:33 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:


it's like me asking why i have to unlock my door with a key, rather than a rasher of bacon.


Because a door isn't good enough to receive bacon.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#13 - 2014-05-09 07:53:06 UTC
Fly what you want, where you want and when you want.

Just don't expect sympathy when bad choices and stubbornness kill you.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Ilovetomine
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-05-09 07:55:32 UTC
On a side note, I thought about fitting my orca with 2x Large remote shield reppers. That + perma repped hulk. What are your thoughts?
Dave stark
#15 - 2014-05-09 07:56:42 UTC
Ilovetomine wrote:
On a side note, I thought about fitting my orca with 2x Large remote shield reppers. That + perma repped hulk. What are your thoughts?

i'll just bring 2 catalysts instead of 1.
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-05-09 07:57:09 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Permit tank it.


this ^^
Ilovetomine
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-05-09 07:57:35 UTC
Sigh. Not sure what the solution to flying my hulks in empire would be. Really seems like a hopeless cause.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-05-09 07:57:42 UTC
Ilovetomine wrote:
But If I want to fly my hulk (literally paper thin at 12.000-ish EHP), I have to have friends.



Get a 2nd account, train up a Logi... no friends required.


"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Dave stark
#19 - 2014-05-09 07:58:08 UTC
Ilovetomine wrote:
Sigh. Not sure what the solution to flying my hulks in empire would be. Really seems like a hopeless cause.

don't fly it where gankers frequent.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#20 - 2014-05-09 08:02:30 UTC
Ilovetomine wrote:
Sigh. Not sure what the solution to flying my hulks in empire would be. Really seems like a hopeless cause.


3/10.
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