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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2014-05-09 00:10:26 UTC  |  Edited by: LHA Tarawa
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2014-05-09 00:17:21 UTC
tiewan wrote:
I think the use of API keys is just another case of players doing the best they can to fix a problem before CCP can be bothered to get around to it.

Managing and securing a corp and its assets is difficult because the in game tools provided by CCP are not really suitable.

Hopefully future expansions will give corp management some love.. The fanfest keynote seemed to indicate that is the plan.




I had the impression the CCP attitude was "working as intended".
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#63 - 2014-05-09 00:30:35 UTC
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Odd.

When I joined the corp I'm in right now,
nobody asked me for an API ...


Doc Fury wrote:
because of :awox:
Hahaha my CEO has a business deal with
a guy out of corp. That guy contracted the stuff for free to the corp.

Worth 131 Million ISK.


I accepted the contract.

Insulted my CEO.


Punished him publicly for this serious faux-pas,
because he should have told that guy not to contract it to the corp,
or at least not for free.


Contracted the minerals to my CEO.


I've had a similar situation before, back in my younger days i was shopping around and found about 7-8b worth of corp contracts just floating throughought various stations.

Who does that?

Why?

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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-05-09 00:31:50 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
tiewan wrote:
I think the use of API keys is just another case of players doing the best they can to fix a problem before CCP can be bothered to get around to it.

Managing and securing a corp and its assets is difficult because the in game tools provided by CCP are not really suitable.

Hopefully future expansions will give corp management some love.. The fanfest keynote seemed to indicate that is the plan.




I had the impression the CCP attitude was "working as intended".


p. much.

I'd like it if many of the corp management functions were more logical, but I think corp assets and sov and such are pretty good where they are as far as vulnerability to a malicious individual harming you from the inside.
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2014-05-09 00:53:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Valleria Darkmoon
Letting people see my assets and wallet prevents jealousy.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
Corvald Tyrska
Valknetra
#66 - 2014-05-09 01:44:05 UTC
Tar'z wrote:

The API key thing is just one of many annoyances causes by the inability to properly secure your corp. The result is the anti-social nature we see in high-sec today, where soloists run around in 1 man corps because they fear being AWOX'd in anything larger.


The reason most Soloists run around in one man corps is because they want to play on their own and have enough intelligence to discover that there is a tax rate on NPC corps (or just want their own POS and the tax break is completely accidental).

I would give out most of my API but doubt that I would give access to my Assets on my main. Their is no legitimate reason to want that info and frankly it is none of the corp's business what I have in my hangars. If they really want to try and build it up from Journal and Wallet info they are welcome to try but there will be plenty missing.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-05-09 01:53:59 UTC
Obvious spai is obvious.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#68 - 2014-05-09 04:06:05 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Having the possibility of theft, awox, disband should be there. However it shouldn't be as easy as what it is now. The current system is absolutely terrible.


How, specifically, do you think it should be made harder?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-05-09 06:28:41 UTC
A full API lets you examine the wooden horse all over, but never reveals the soldiers waiting inside.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#70 - 2014-05-09 08:56:20 UTC
Corvald Tyrska wrote:
I would give out most of my API but doubt that I would give access to my Assets on my main. Their is no legitimate reason to want that info and frankly it is none of the corp's business what I have in my hangars. If they really want to try and build it up from Journal and Wallet info they are welcome to try but there will be plenty missing.

There's plenty of reasons to want this.

I make the same point: if you can't trust the corp's recruiter to know you have a Drake parked in Nomaa, then don't join the corp. There are very legit reasons to need to see your assets.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#71 - 2014-05-09 10:05:55 UTC
Corvald Tyrska wrote:

I would give out most of my API but doubt that I would give access to my Assets on my main. Their is no legitimate reason to want that info and frankly it is none of the corp's business what I have in my hangars. If they really want to try and build it up from Journal and Wallet info they are welcome to try but there will be plenty missing.


There definitely is.

If I say I am an indy pilot, I sure might have a retriever or two, but oh, what's that? I have a Gnosis 2 jumps from your corp's base? And my skillpoints let me use T2 medium blasters and I have Thermodynamics at 4?

Big no-no.

So yeah, it is your corp's business what you have in your hangars. It might save their lives.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2014-05-09 10:12:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Cebraio
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Corvald Tyrska wrote:

I would give out most of my API but doubt that I would give access to my Assets on my main. Their is no legitimate reason to want that info and frankly it is none of the corp's business what I have in my hangars. If they really want to try and build it up from Journal and Wallet info they are welcome to try but there will be plenty missing.


There definitely is.

If I say I am an indy pilot, I sure might have a retriever or two, but oh, what's that? I have a Gnosis 2 jumps from your corp's base? And my skillpoints let me use T2 medium blasters and I have Thermodynamics at 4?

Big no-no.

So yeah, it is your corp's business what you have in your hangars. It might save their lives.

You can see the skillpoints for the guns and thermodynamics without access to assets. Anyone may have a gnosis (given out free) or buy one in a matter of minutes. You're a carebear and it's quite silly that you wouldn't let someone in because of a few PVP skills.
Xero reX
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-05-09 13:42:07 UTC
They get my full api when i get theirs....all of them.

also, no one has any business reading eve mails between me and my RL friends that play.

So here i remain, corpless, but not corpseless.
CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#74 - 2014-05-09 15:14:29 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:
It merely provides in-game information. People want this info to prevent spies, awoxers, etc. They're not just asking because they're curious or nosy, they're protecting their membership.


Want in on a secret?

It doesn't work.


No, not always, but it helps minimize it.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#75 - 2014-05-09 15:18:49 UTC
CompleteFailure wrote:


No, not always, but it helps minimize it.


It helps weed out the weak AWOXers and spais, but not the good, dangerous ones.

Id rather deal with a thousand mice than a single determined tiger

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#76 - 2014-05-09 15:28:54 UTC
Hmmmm......

Second awox-related thread in the past two days.

/tinfoil placed on

Someone must be fishing. I suspect...someone from anti-ganking or any of it's outlying chans. Shocked

/tinfoil cast away

Adapt and Overcome, OP.

Blink

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-05-09 15:44:51 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Corvald Tyrska wrote:
I would give out most of my API but doubt that I would give access to my Assets on my main. Their is no legitimate reason to want that info and frankly it is none of the corp's business what I have in my hangars. If they really want to try and build it up from Journal and Wallet info they are welcome to try but there will be plenty missing.

There's plenty of reasons to want this.

I make the same point: if you can't trust the corp's recruiter to know you have a Drake parked in Nomaa, then don't join the corp. There are very legit reasons to need to see your assets.


Never fiddled much with the API but how does it handle fitted modules?
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2014-05-09 19:43:49 UTC
Jill Chastot wrote:
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Odd.

When I joined the corp I'm in right now,
nobody asked me for an API ...


Doc Fury wrote:
because of :awox:
Hahaha my CEO has a business deal with
a guy out of corp. That guy contracted the stuff for free to the corp.

Worth 131 Million ISK.


I accepted the contract.

Insulted my CEO.


Punished him publicly for this serious faux-pas,
because he should have told that guy not to contract it to the corp,
or at least not for free.


Contracted the minerals to my CEO.


I've had a similar situation before, back in my younger days i was shopping around and found about 7-8b worth of corp contracts just floating throughought various stations.

Who does that?

Why?



For a corp I was in, it was a way to share assets at a pos we didn't have a corp office available. We had some corp assets that we would share, and we'd put it up as a corp contract. That way, whoever wanted to use it could pull it off corp contract, use it, then put it back up before logging off.

But, it was a very small corp of guys that knew each other real life.....and it wasn't 8 B.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2014-05-09 23:08:25 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:


No, not always, but it helps minimize it.


It helps weed out the weak AWOXers and spais, but not the good, dangerous ones.

Id rather deal with a thousand mice than a single determined tiger


This isn't an either/or choice. The tiger might get you regardless, but you can at least not spend the time leading up to that getting picked at constantly by the thousands of mice (and letting the mice at you isn't going to keep the tiger away).
Debyl Vuld
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2014-05-09 23:26:47 UTC
''I need to give away all my information to a great leader so they can protect me because I'm not capable of protecting myself''

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