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25% dps drop for Gecko in Kronos

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Ravasta Helugo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2014-05-08 21:53:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravasta Helugo
This whole ongoing debate is pointless, and the participants are talking past one another.

To one side: Yes, the Gecko will do less damage post-Kronos due to the DI changes. That blows. I wanted super-Geckos too. However, I can't in good conscience call it a nerf... because it was clearly intended to operate with with post-Kronos abilities the whole time. It's still super fast and has excellent application, it just isn't the ONLY drone you should be using anymore. That's ok.

To the other side: Yes, this change is just bringing the Gecko to the place it was intended to be, however to say that Devs haven't been forthcoming with this knowledge is an understatement- giving this thread great merit. I mean seriously, first of all the changes referenced are massive, yet don't even have a thread here. That the Gecko wasn't getting the 33% buff literally every other drone is getting was revealed on ******* Twitter, for chrissakes. So this thread is important, and trying to kneecap what was supposed to be a discussion of what this meant for the utility of the drone by going after the semantics of the OP is counterproductive and, frankly, off topic.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#122 - 2014-05-08 22:00:14 UTC
I really don't get this thread.

Two weeks ago no one even heard of the gecko. Now we all have free geckos, and people complain that the free stuff we got won't be as wtfbbqpwn in 1 month.

Y'all are wierd.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2014-05-08 22:20:39 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

The Gecko should not have been released pre-Kronos with post-Kronos stats.
It should have had its damage on delivery pre-nerfed and then adjusted in Kronos along with every other drone.

Why?

You know exactly why.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#124 - 2014-05-08 22:30:05 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

The Gecko should not have been released pre-Kronos with post-Kronos stats.
It should have had its damage on delivery pre-nerfed and then adjusted in Kronos along with every other drone.

Why?

You know exactly why.

If I had to hazard a guess, which I have to given the open endedness of your response -- speculation.

Here's the thing though. It's absolutely moronic to speculate on an item that CCP disburses to literally everyone that is subscribed, with more disbursements planned. Look at the Gnosis, currently sitting at less than a third of its release market price. Or the Zephyr, or the Primae, or the Genolution implant sets where the price crashes on an annual basis.

Speculating on giveaways is moronic. A lot of the speculators will get burned.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#125 - 2014-05-08 22:33:19 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
I really don't get this thread.

Two weeks ago no one even heard of the gecko. Now we all have free geckos, and people complain that the free stuff we got won't be as wtfbbqpwn in 1 month.

Y'all are wierd.


Happens around here all the time.

People bitching about finding $10 in the street because it wasn't $20.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Jar ing Loutte
Florida Sand Hermits
#126 - 2014-05-08 22:34:12 UTC
Oops
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#127 - 2014-05-08 22:37:33 UTC
Pubbie Spy wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
remind me what changes are being done to the gecko?

It's losing 50% of the drone interface bonus June 3.
But you're right, I must be imagining that it could possible have an effect...


Good god this is dumb.

Who in their right mind thought that the heavy drone newly that is literally better than a fighter and was introduced literally weeks before a drone rebalance patch is going to stay that overpowered relative to everything else?

What did you smoke and where can I get some?


People are asy to spoil, easy to upset and feel entitled to, well, everything.

And yea, I wish they'd puff puff pass that good green to me too (in game lol)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2014-05-08 22:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
It's not about entitlement. It doesn't make sense to release an uber powerful drone and say "oh we don't actually intend it to be this strong, but you get a few weeks of it anyway because we're too lazy to give it proper stats for the interim/too stupid to hold off on release".

If we didn't get anything for EVE's birthday few would have noticed and even fewer would have cared. That's what they should have done.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#129 - 2014-05-08 22:45:11 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's not about entitlement. It doesn't make sense to release an uber powerful drone and say "oh we don't actually intend it to be this strong, but you get a few weeks of it anyway because we're too lazy to give it proper stats for the interim/too stupid to hold off on release".

If we didn't get anything for EVE's birthday few would have noticed and even fewer would have cared.

So CCP does something nice for drone users everywhere, giving them 1 month of super drone that does an additional X% damage, and that's a bad thing?

How is doing something NICE for the player base an example of laziness?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2014-05-08 22:48:01 UTC
In fact the entire concept of these drones is dumb to begin with. If they were to be introduced it should have been as some class of drone that actually fills some sort of niche and doesn't feel like a themepark addendum.

But this feels like just a "here's a shiny new toy, go play with it" more than any gift I can recall receiving in the past.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2014-05-08 22:48:47 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's not about entitlement. It doesn't make sense to release an uber powerful drone and say "oh we don't actually intend it to be this strong, but you get a few weeks of it anyway because we're too lazy to give it proper stats for the interim/too stupid to hold off on release".

If we didn't get anything for EVE's birthday few would have noticed and even fewer would have cared.

So CCP does something nice for drone users everywhere, giving them 1 month of super drone that does an additional X% damage, and that's a bad thing?

Yes.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2014-05-08 22:50:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Pubbie Spy wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
remind me what changes are being done to the gecko?

It's losing 50% of the drone interface bonus June 3.
But you're right, I must be imagining that it could possible have an effect...


Good god this is dumb.

Who in their right mind thought that the heavy drone newly that is literally better than a fighter and was introduced literally weeks before a drone rebalance patch is going to stay that overpowered relative to everything else?

What did you smoke and where can I get some?


People are asy to spoil, easy to upset and feel entitled to, well, everything.

And yea, I wish they'd puff puff pass that good green to me too (in game lol)

There is something to be said for giving something in one state and making and event of it only to have the perceived benefit change not long afterwards without much in the way of notification. Granted there is always the argument that it was given for free, and under no obligation, but I don't see that preempting coming by the forums at some point and saying "hey, by the way, these are already modified for Kronos" before the excitement went into full force. That would have been nice.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#133 - 2014-05-08 22:54:04 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

But this feels like just a "here's a shiny new toy, go play with it" more than any gift I can recall receiving in the past.

God forbid CCP gives their customers a shiny new toy to enjoy. You haven't watched "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" in a while, have you? Lol
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2014-05-08 22:55:59 UTC
I prefer my sandbox MMO to have less gimmicks, not more.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2014-05-08 23:02:18 UTC
Well the inevitable angry "why did you stealth nerf my Geckos" threads should at least provide some entertainment come June 3.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#136 - 2014-05-08 23:02:49 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I prefer my sandbox MMO to have less gimmicks, not more.

Odd, I don't seem to recall you complaining when the gnosis was released. Or the Genolution implants. Or the Zephyr. Or the Primae.

Funny that...Cool
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2014-05-08 23:05:21 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Those were all pretty minor. I suppose the Gnosis does come close.

I mean I see your point but still, if you're going to release something, don't release it with blatantly inflated strength for a month just because you think it'll be nice.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#138 - 2014-05-08 23:12:47 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Those were all pretty minor. I suppose the Gnosis does come close.

Yes, I do suppose 3 drones outweigh an entire battlecruiser in gimickness. Also, If I'm not terribly mistaken (and I could be), you didn't complain about the geckos when we received them either. In fact, you seemed interested in them here.

You only started complaining about "gimmicks" after you heard the "gimmick" was getting "nerfed."

Hmmm. Hmmmmmmmmm. I wonder what's at play here? Cool
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I mean I see your point but still, if you're going to release something, don't release it with blatantly inflated strength for a month just because you think it'll be nice.

That's just....like....your opinion, man.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2014-05-08 23:17:06 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
The stats issue is a huge part of why I feel like they're gimmicks though. It would have been fine if they were released with realistic stats, but they weren't. They have artificially inflated stats for no reason other than the fact that they were released too early.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#140 - 2014-05-08 23:18:55 UTC
Put more simply: CCP put something in the game, knowingly in a much stronger state than what they intend for the game.
Do you see why this causes problems?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)