EVE General Discussion

Goons ftw!

Without you, the hating masses would have taken over long ago,
killing EVE like they did with Ultima!

I know. Mynna (on a different alt ) used to sit in a channel I was in (on a different alt) and regularly chatted about ISK making. We bagged our first corp tech and funded a titan due to early intel which (I always found hilarious) came from people who were supposedly hostiles in null. One thing I've always liked is that in MD there are various big money players who are quite generous advising newer players on how to scale up - particularly those they can see have a knack for it - regardless of their affiliations.

Re the rest of the CFC, I'm sure you do advise and there are widescale manips, but natural talent counts for a lot. And I think those types are actually rare based on previous interractions, and quite careful to separate their alliance loyalties from their large scale ISK generation.

That's not even counting those who are pure industrialists to the exclusion of everything else. I still talk to a guy I met early on ingame who has never shot another player or left empire, but who sits on (last time I spoke to him) 1t ISK worth of each mineral purely for long term speculation. As a hobby, he told me, although his main activities were PVE and T2 production :) I'm quite intrigued as to how that type of person - who answers to no one, and has no loyalties - will respond if a new frontier opens up with massive potential profits.

And now it's complete.

You should lead by example, I'm sure some will follow you, and the game will be better for it.

Also Goons (Grr™) and the nulluminati aren't really interested in destroying highsec, although it's probably a huge source of entertainment to them that certain highsec groups believe otherwise. Why would they want to destroy an area of the game that provides them with a target, and tear, rich environment, to entertain their line members with in times of "peace"?

We spend lots of time laughing in our jabber about some of the tinfoil and grrgoons and linking each other the choice posts when we are not otherwise engaged. The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony.

I wasn't aware of this part, I knew that you produced stuff in highsec, just not the scale of your operations.

Yep. Already ran the #'s and the primary market we have been playing in (for personal ISK income) lately will continue to be highsec.

I assume given your calculations neither are you then, Dino?

Y'know, cos all the changes are aimed specifically at you, like everything else "bad" that happens in this game that you hate but still pay the Goons for the privilege of playing?

I mean, if CCP do what the cartels tell them, and the gewns are the biggest cartel, that means that you pay them to play in their game, right?

So you are actually feeding the problem yourself, right?

hush now, chicken little.

Fair play, but despite enjoying a degree of collaboration some of us do genuinely treat this side of the game as one of wits, luck and strategy and prefer to do so without interference. It's one of the few areas you can carve a niche in solo. There are always upsides to collaboration, but the point for some of us is to win or lose based upon our own choices, and being spoonfed can dilute that experience. Galaxy wide manips and control are fine and I've no doubt awesome, but it's a second job involving a lot of people. In some ways it's less rewarding than discovering things for yourself and nipping in to harvest quietly. Niche markets are still out there with only a handful of players you can either collaborate with or terrorise.

In a hyper-capitalist universe I'd be wary of assuming major nullsec blocs can completely dominate individuals with equal wealth/expertise across the entire market. Just because individual players don't deliberately act as a unit doesn't mean they can't be a problem in various spheres (particularly if they spot certain trends).

Nobody look at his eyes, he's trying to recruit you into the cartel to be a slave. But in all seriousness, some of Dinsdale's concerns re the subordination of individual playstyles to large group mechanics I agree with in spirit. We can be wage slaves IRL, ingame we can be independent if we want, and that choice should be preserved to a degree.

The point he misses is that if we choose to play as independents we have to accept the risk resides exclusively with us and be prepared to take it, otherwise our activities are less profitable/effiicient. As an enterprise solo ISK making is one of the purest forms of PVP ingame imo and should not be confused with mindless zombie farming. We're often fighting/competing with blocs or individuals with vast reserves we can't see or predict. Which is fine by me v0v


This argument also assumes the rest of us are gormless morons, the battle is already lost, so the only counter is to whine to CCP about how unfair it is. That we are collectively stupid, lazy, disorganised and cowardly. And we're doomed. *Snore* Funny how the rest of us who are prepared to fight - have always been fighting at various levels - are unconcerned.