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Legion and dust share the same engine

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#21 - 2014-05-07 23:19:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Cheng Musana wrote:
there will be no more additional content
Source?

No? thought so...

I'm in it for the money

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Cheng Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-05-07 23:54:38 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Cheng Musana wrote:
there will be no more additional content
Source?

No? thought so...

have you got a source apart from a dev making "another" promise? About the question if the stuff that had beeing showed on fanfest the devs mentioned that most of it is going for legion. However they didnt sayd what exactly dust is getting. Which lead the community to believe that CCP abandoned their game. It woulda have beeing much better for CCP when they showed what is coming for dust.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#23 - 2014-05-08 01:59:19 UTC
Cheng Musana wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Cheng Musana wrote:
there will be no more additional content
Source?

No? thought so...

have you got a source apart from a dev making "another" promise? About the question if the stuff that had beeing showed on fanfest the devs mentioned that most of it is going for legion. However they didnt sayd what exactly dust is getting. Which lead the community to believe that CCP abandoned their game. It woulda have beeing much better for CCP when they showed what is coming for dust.


"Although DUST 514 and Project Legion will function independently of one another, and are different projects on different development paths, DUST itself has a lot more shooting-in-the-face action to come. The team and I remain committed to continuing to improve the experience on PlayStation 3, while simultaneously making sure “Project Legion” becomes the experience we’ve all dreamt of."

Reading comprehension check.
"Jack and Jill went up the hill to have a little fun..."
No wait, that's probably not a good example problem..

Wait, were was your source again? I didn't see it in your reply. Oh was that hysteria on the PS3 network? Not usable, eh?
Heck, even the Dust server metrics are unchanged, apart form some Dust bunnies set out to destroy new player turnover numbers by their hysteria, yet while they keep playing the game, themselves. Just priceless.

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Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#24 - 2014-05-08 07:40:30 UTC
According to CCP Android, the UE3 that the DUST and Legion teams are using is SO heavily modified that moving to the UE4 would be more of a hassle than just adding the features themselves.

They already have most of the features of UE4 inside of their own modified engine.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#25 - 2014-05-08 07:45:30 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Last Wolf wrote:
PC and console don't mix very well when it comes to First Person Shooters....
Keyboard + mouse users on the same server as joystick controller users would be a huge disadvantage to the controller users.


This of course depends on many factors such as aim assist for mouse only players as we saw in Dust...or personal skills being used, some console players can run circles round you. Mouse and Keyboard are by no means superior to interfacing except in terms of shortcuts and that really is it.

^Truth.

Most of the best DUST players use the DS3, even though M/K is available.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-05-08 08:22:07 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Seems Dust was just a test run for the game CCP really wanted.


I could live with that.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#27 - 2014-05-08 19:53:36 UTC
Anyway, I'll point out here that they said that the "prototype" runs under UE3. Prototypes and final release states are not always the same thing. Not saying it will, but not saying it wont.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-05-08 20:22:16 UTC
mkint wrote:

How do dust bunnies take part in chat channels without keyboards anyway?



Ingame keyboard, or plug in a usb keyboard to the PS3 via a USB Hub like I do.
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
#29 - 2014-05-08 21:27:02 UTC
Looks like they're using UE3 according to this:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161332&find=unread

And if this is anything to go by that's probably a good idea:

Quote:
Performance Analysis: Daylight on PS4 and PC
Digital Foundry compares both versions of Unreal Engine 4's gaming debut.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-daylight-performance-analysis
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-05-08 21:29:12 UTC
... I'm eating cake...

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#31 - 2014-05-08 22:28:23 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Seems Dust was just a test run for the game CCP really wanted.


I could live with that.


Agreed.

☼

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#32 - 2014-05-08 23:58:10 UTC
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Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#33 - 2014-05-09 09:23:02 UTC
The bigger problem is that CCP's monetization director is attempting to strip the entire SP system we as know it from Legion and replace it with an incredibly shallow system like battlefield has, basically allowing for close to no customization.
Winters Chill
Unitas Incorporated
#34 - 2014-05-09 11:52:48 UTC
I want to see a complete reimagining of Dust 514 in Legion.

The only things that Legion and Dust should share is they are both FPS and both are set in the eve universe.

If CCP hold back on legion like it did on dust (for technical reasons), it will be a failure.
Reiisha
#35 - 2014-05-09 13:14:23 UTC
okst666 wrote:
I would like to know why they changed valkyrie from Unity to U4. Just because they could and/or wanted to anyways, or if there were specific reasons. If a dev wants to answer, please become technical :D


UE4 doesn't need build time, except for source code. You can change scripts, levels, actors, lighting, BSP, whatever, and you can use/test it immediately.

Unity still needs some compile time, as it were, and also has a somewhat less efficient pipeline, as well as slightly older tech.





Legion is still using UE3 for obvious reasons - Content cannot be ported wholesale to UE4 due to the source code. So much work has gone into that that it's not worth switching engines anymore, despite the other advantages. UE3 can still do the job though.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-05-09 13:21:43 UTC
I don't really see them as two different games. Legion is just the natural progression of Dust.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-05-09 17:46:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian
Octoven wrote:
[quote=Last Wolf]
This of course depends on many factors such as aim assist for mouse only players as we saw in Dust...or personal skills being used, some console players can run circles round you. Mouse and Keyboard are by no means superior to interfacing except in terms of shortcuts and that really is it.


Just because people can get pretty good with controllers (which of course they can) doesn't mean m/k isn't intrinsically far superior for fps control. It is. All things being equal, player x will be much faster and better at an fps with an m/k than he will be with a controller.

The sole benefit of game controllers is that you can relax on a couch with them.
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#38 - 2014-05-09 18:39:05 UTC
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
Octoven wrote:
[quote=Last Wolf]
This of course depends on many factors such as aim assist for mouse only players as we saw in Dust...or personal skills being used, some console players can run circles round you. Mouse and Keyboard are by no means superior to interfacing except in terms of shortcuts and that really is it.


Just because people can get pretty good with controllers (which of course they can) doesn't mean m/k isn't intrinsically far superior for fps control. It is. All things being equal, player x will be much faster and better at an fps with an m/k than he will be with a controller.

The sole benefit of game controllers is that you can relax on a couch with them.

Yes, but aim assist is there to compensate for that.

You can have pretty balanced MK vs Controllers.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Octoven
Stellar Production
#39 - 2014-05-12 05:11:32 UTC
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
Octoven wrote:
[quote=Last Wolf]
This of course depends on many factors such as aim assist for mouse only players as we saw in Dust...or personal skills being used, some console players can run circles round you. Mouse and Keyboard are by no means superior to interfacing except in terms of shortcuts and that really is it.


Just because people can get pretty good with controllers (which of course they can) doesn't mean m/k isn't intrinsically far superior for fps control. It is. All things being equal, player x will be much faster and better at an fps with an m/k than he will be with a controller.

The sole benefit of game controllers is that you can relax on a couch with them.


I dont see the m/k being superior and im not saying the controller is superior. I see them equally in terms of abilities. The only difference here is your application of the device. Some people have better hand control, others have better thumb control and movement. The only thing superior here is playstyle to YOU. Each person is different, in terms of functionality, neither is technologically more superior. They both provide the same basic functions of core game play which is all that matters. Before CCP put aim assist into Dust for m/k players using it were bitching about the ineffectiveness to hit a target, all things being equal, player x will be much faster and better at an fps with whichever device said player feels the most comfortable and skilled with.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#40 - 2014-05-12 05:26:11 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
mkint wrote:

How do dust bunnies take part in chat channels without keyboards anyway?



Ingame keyboard, or plug in a usb keyboard to the PS3 via a USB Hub like I do.

What, they don't use headsets? All the PC FPS' I've played we used headsets. That way when someone gets on comms and starts ranting hysterically about how the end of the game-world is coming, and he has a squeaky 12yo's voice, we can just push his freaking little mute button and go on with our game Cool

(ps no I didn't bump this awesome thread P )

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