Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please list these mutiple ways its weaker to E-war.

The Gecko shoots rainbow.

I'm sure going to miss the sub-$400 million Rattlesnakes...

I'm talking about the kin/therm missile bonuses.

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However, to address the non-inflammatory almost point that it has:



I will say that High DPS is the new paradigm for this ship. The only real problem with what they are doing is in not raising the DPS higher on the drones.


I have a bad feeling about the half done drone iteration they are doing... that they are going to split out all drone types on the hull bonuses, and leave drones in general in a worse place than they are now, hard as that may be to believe unless you are a Null Blobber and think the whole system works like the emergent drone assist usage we have seen lately.

The Ishtar, Megathron, and Moros are so overpowered that there is absolutely no reason to ever fly any other HAC, battleship, or dreadnought, ever. These three ships are better than all their competitors at literally every relevant role.

would ccp really do you wrong?

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Mega's are good because of the tracking bonus, combined with a solid tank, makes them deadly in numbers when fit with rails. They are also scary at point blank range with Blasters.

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The Megathron has 8 lows and doesn't need fitting mods to fit a rull rack of rails, unlike all laser/artillery BS which need at least one. The Apocalypse needs THREE unless you use faction hardeners. That means it gets a minimum of +2 low slots over all of its armor tanking competitors, which of course more than makes up for having 1 less gun. A rail mega just completely outperforms all the beam laser and artillery BSes, and if for some reason you want to brawl close up, blasters are of course > *.

A rail Mega has superior DPS, range, tracking, speed, signature radius, scan resolution, and cap stability than even a navy armageddon with an identical fit, just swapping rails for tachyons and one heat sink for an RCU to actually fit the guns. The navy armageddon only wins on EHP, but that's obviously because it has 6000 more armor and 3000 more shield/structure as a faction BS.

Tempest needs a grid mod to fit artillery and is left with 8 low/rig slots to fit both tank and damage mods, the Megathron has 11.

It massively outperforms the Rokh at all of these stats at all ranges under 150km, and past that doesn't matter because they can probe a warpin on you in seconds. A mega with 2 MFS does more DPS at any range under 150km than a Rokh with three, all you have to do is go down one ammo type to get the same range. And since the Rokh needs an injector it's reduced to an 8-slot tank (counting rigs) while the Mega can run a 9-slot tank to compensate for the resist bonus, and then still have a sensor booster and tracking computer on top of that. Oh yeah, and it has half the signature radius of the Rokh.

The Maelstrom is the closest competition because it has high alpha, but its tank, dps, and tracking are vastly inferior and it has a gigantic signature which gets eaten up by bombers.

It's not so much the lasers, it's that 8 lows on a regular battleship is ridiculous. You gain tons of CPU and PG from the gun you don't have to fit, and in the worst case you can just put a damage mod in that low to more than make up for the lost gun. On the other hand, if you want more tank, you have an extra low that nobody else has.

If the Apoc had an 8/4/7 layout it would actually be competitive with the Mega, you would not need any grid mods to fit 7 tachyon IIs. Inside antimatter range the superior tracking would help you better apply your inferior paper DPS, and outside that range you'd have better paper DPS. Cap stability would be worse but all the other stats would be comparable.

Similarly, if the Mega was 7/4/8 it would be pretty bad, 8 guns means it needs a grid mod to fit 8 guns + mwd + two plates and the 8th gun means it's about 40 CPU short of an effective fit.