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Ore is being harvested 50% faster than tears

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#161 - 2014-05-08 14:40:07 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I came to EvE because of the lack of WoWheads and CoDKids, not inspite of it

I'm pretty sure there a plenty of the latter in certain corps... Blink


Lol well yes thats true

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#162 - 2014-05-08 14:47:50 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:

I hate people picking on other people... that's my baseline... I would have to stop living if I would try to avoid that. I can't have it, I can't enjoy it, and I can't understand other people that do... not even in a game. *shrugs*


I don't enjoy 'picking' on people either. I don't gank (not because I have moral qualms about it, but because I just don't see it as fun for me). I do enjoy tears but only when it's someone who ticked me off 1st lol.

The thing is this. You can't 'pick on' someone in EVE. EVE features total equality (not in skill points or ship access, but in that EVERY in EVE can get a gun without a permit lol. if a person is getting 'picked on' in EVE, he is 100% allowing it. And the min/max 'greedy for every bit of Ore' solo miners are allowing it. GOOD miners aren't.

it's the same with my 'community' (mission runners/combat pve pilots) The good ones are using the right ships and tactics (liek blitzing Damsel in Distress with a cheap naga instead of a 5 billion isk machariel......) and are aware enough to not get ganked. The bad ones end up as an ALOD on the Goon guy's site.

In both cases (good and bad) we have a choice of which to be. The fact that some people make the bad choice, that doesn't mean that Kaarous and his type are some kind of evil bully. It means they are the force that keeps other players 'honest', because without them there would just be overly entitled rampantly greedy min max miners everywhere (lol)

Quote:

...and no, no other game has exactly what EVE has ...yet.

FInally: Why do I want EVE to be more popular? Because it's a good game that turns many people off with it's general unfriendlyness, and (certain parts) of the community are as much to blame for that then CCP... difference is, CCP seams to be willing to learn... sometimes.


I still don't understand. What yo just mentioned are the GOOD parts of EVE. it turns off (most) stupid lazy people, leave (mostly) the kinds of people who aren't stupid and lazy.

This is exactly what I mean when i say that some of us are suited to (and like) the realities of EVE whereas others would rather it changed to the uninteresting 'mass appeal' crap that is the rest of the MMO world.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#163 - 2014-05-08 14:57:30 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
This is exactly what I mean when i say that some of us are suited to (and like) the realities of EVE whereas others would rather it changed to the uninteresting 'mass appeal' crap that is the rest of the MMO world.

I dunno... I think there could be a middle ground somewhere... maybe expanding the universe to other games will mix things up.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Decaneos
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#164 - 2014-05-08 14:58:25 UTC
I often wonder what the people that cry CARE BEAR to anyone that does any type of non pvp activity would do if everyone just stopped and started doing nothing but pvp.

no more mining, no more research, NO MORE BUILDING OF SHIPS!

Without those people that you condemn to be care bears, you wouldn't have any ships to fly, nor any ships to blow up, so stop your senseless whining about people who like to do other things than blow people up.

Me i like to do nearly all parts of this game, i mine to build my own ships so i can pvp or pve depending on what type of mood i'm in, but cause i actually do some form of PVE i'm labeled as a a care bear.

To much time being popped seems to of scrambled the PVP'ers brains cause they fail to understand how this game works.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#165 - 2014-05-08 14:59:42 UTC
Decaneos wrote:
I often wonder what the people that cry CARE BEAR to anyone that does any type of non pvp activity would do if everyone just stopped and started doing nothing but pvp.


Searching....

No such person found.

Would you like to play again?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#166 - 2014-05-08 15:01:42 UTC
Decaneos wrote:
To much time being popped seems to of scrambled the PVP'ers brains cause they fail to understand how this game works.

It's a certain mindset... a predominantly male one... but a discussion like that would blow up this thread. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#167 - 2014-05-08 15:01:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:

I hate people picking on other people...


Here you go.

https://register.perfectworld.com/sto_splashB


Then she doesnt do the market, or mine in other people's belts then.

Agh PW... my poor eyes and wallet


Really, that's the big thing. The people who play EVe whole hating EVE (and it's communty) are 'have cake + eat cake' people. They want all the excitement and fun but don't want to pay the price.

That's why they predicted that EVE would die to STO (now it's Star Citizen), they don't understand that the things they think they want to change are actually yhe HOOKS that keep them in the game.




(i've been waiting to use this analogy lol)

These people are like this girl i knew in college (damn it, was that really 20 years ago???).

So i knew this girl and boy let me tell you, she was hot. Seemingly nice girl, pretty, smart, ambitious. I instantly liked her and tried to get with her. And instantly got 'Friend Zoned' (though we didn't have a word for it in the dark ages lol).

So like any idiot, I stuck around to be her 'friend' hoping she'd come to her senses and eventually give me 'some'. So OF COURSE as her 'friend', i get introduced to every emo, thugged out, tatt'd up, insensitive 'only wants one thing' loser she meets and beds (because of course all she really wants is a 'nice guy', at least that's what she says while doing the exact opposite lol).

So when i tell her that she doesn't really know what she wants, I get rebuked. Then 'Mr Bad Guy' does what EVERYONE (but her) knows he's going to do and screws her over. All of a sudden I had to listen to "why are you men always such jerks??".... Like her own choices have nothing to do with it.

Eventually, people like that get tired enough of getting screwed over and then get with a 'nice guy' (which even then turned out to not be me, remember, i was already friend zoned and no woman wants to screw her 'play-brother'......grrrr Chicks). AND then they get bored and in short order end right back in the arms of some new douchebag to start the cycle all over again while Mr nice guy is heart broken over it....


EVE is that douchy dude that gets all the hot chicks lol. it's because the hot chicks don't understand themselves enough to understand why they are attracted to someone who they also can't stand lol. Games like STO are the nurtuing good guys that the hot girl CLAIM she wants but in reality would just bore her to death with all that niceness and bland safety.

TL;DR. Miners are hot chicks. Go screw them, it's for their own good.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#168 - 2014-05-08 15:03:51 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Decaneos wrote:
To much time being popped seems to of scrambled the PVP'ers brains cause they fail to understand how this game works.

It's a certain mindset... a predominantly male one... but a discussion like that would blow up this thread. Blink


The two most vicious people I have ever met in this game were both female. One of them, when I was a pretty new player, was a 65+ year old woman in a retirement complex. To hear her on comms with that sweet old grandmother voice yelling at us to "Get the mother****er's pod!" was always a trip.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#169 - 2014-05-08 15:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Haha... hey Jenn, is it possible to simultainously love and hate someone? I think I do, right now! Lol

You made my day...

@Kaarous: I was generalizing again... believe me, I know some pretty vicious girls/women myself... they don't play EVE, though. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#170 - 2014-05-08 15:12:31 UTC
Shalua, I do like your attitude in this debate, and the fact we have all proven that we can debate in a civilised and adult fashion.

But I also just saw this and in someways it does nicely illustrate a little tiny part of this kind of discussion about EvE...

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/10299065_645071955561064_6238235611275109301_n.png

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#171 - 2014-05-08 15:16:00 UTC
...ok, that's funny ...kinda. Smile

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Organic Lager
Drinking Buddies
#172 - 2014-05-08 15:31:07 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:

I hate people picking on other people...


Here you go.

https://register.perfectworld.com/sto_splashB


Then she doesnt do the market, or mine in other people's belts then.

Agh PW... my poor eyes and wallet


Really, that's the big thing. The people who play EVe whole hating EVE (and it's communty) are 'have cake + eat cake' people. They want all the excitement and fun but don't want to pay the price.

That's why they predicted that EVE would die to STO (now it's Star Citizen), they don't understand that the things they think they want to change are actually yhe HOOKS that keep them in the game.




(i've been waiting to use this analogy lol)

These people are like this girl i knew in college (damn it, was that really 20 years ago???).

So i knew this girl and boy let me tell you, she was hot. Seemingly nice girl, pretty, smart, ambitious. I instantly liked her and tried to get with her. And instantly got 'Friend Zoned' (though we didn't have a word for it in the dark ages lol).

So like any idiot, I stuck around to be her 'friend' hoping she'd come to her senses and eventually give me 'some'. So OF COURSE as her 'friend', i get introduced to every emo, thugged out, tatt'd up, insensitive 'only wants one thing' loser she meets and beds (because of course all she really wants is a 'nice guy', at least that's what she says while doing the exact opposite lol).

So when i tell her that she doesn't really know what she wants, I get rebuked. Then 'Mr Bad Guy' does what EVERYONE (but her) knows he's going to do and screws her over. All of a sudden I had to listen to "why are you men always such jerks??".... Like her own choices have nothing to do with it.

Eventually, people like that get tired enough of getting screwed over and then get with a 'nice guy' (which even then turned out to not be me, remember, i was already friend zoned and no woman wants to screw her 'play-brother'......grrrr Chicks). AND then they get bored and in short order end right back in the arms of some new douchebag to start the cycle all over again while Mr nice guy is heart broken over it....


EVE is that douchy dude that gets all the hot chicks lol. it's because the hot chicks don't understand themselves enough to understand why they are attracted to someone who they also can't stand lol. Games like STO are the nurtuing good guys that the hot girl CLAIM she wants but in reality would just bore her to death with all that niceness and bland safety.

TL;DR. Miners are hot chicks. Go screw them, it's for their own good.


Well **** me right, I just found out I'm a hot chick.
Literally Space Moses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#173 - 2014-05-08 15:54:09 UTC
Decaneos wrote:
I often wonder what the people that cry CARE BEAR to anyone that does any type of non pvp activity would do if everyone just stopped and started doing nothing but pvp.

no more mining, no more research, NO MORE BUILDING OF SHIPS!

Without those people that you condemn to be care bears, you wouldn't have any ships to fly, nor any ships to blow up, so stop your senseless whining about people who like to do other things than blow people up.

Me i like to do nearly all parts of this game, i mine to build my own ships so i can pvp or pve depending on what type of mood i'm in, but cause i actually do some form of PVE i'm labeled as a a care bear.

To much time being popped seems to of scrambled the PVP'ers brains cause they fail to understand how this game works.


Let's be real. If all the carebears disappeared tomorrow, that just means PVPers would start building their own ships and mining their own rocks. The reason we don't currently is the isk/hr is way too low. Hell, some of the best PVP was back when there weren't really any carebears and you were forced to mine in battleships so you could build stuff for PVP.

PVPers will adapt. If FW is making the best isk/hr and effort/hr, there you find PVE als of PVPers. If it's incursions, or C6 escalations, or supercap production, you'll find us. For PVEers, they'll mine despite terrible margins and build ships that actually lose them isk, and then when their income gets nerfed, they complain, and either continue doing the same thing or just quit.

#T2013
Miichael Epic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2014-05-08 15:56:39 UTC
Mining is fun when you do it in lowsec lol because its all a game of cat and mouse and strategy, which is the most fun part of the game for me.

Now I've been blown up A LOT of times...but only twice mining lol being as that I am a miner, have zero combat foundation or combat skills and have mined full time, on the dial since February....I've learned a few things lol

All of the miner gankers, are sorely...SORELY, predictable. Plus I love getting blown up by them....legit, it used to **** me off but now its fun. I get kill rights, I get to sell them to people and I make some money and then I get to see the kill mails and when they blow up my 30 million isk Procurer and then get pwned by the people I sold the kill right too in their 600m+ Tempest....ah, retribution feels nice. (fid TwicE anyone?)

I still think those who blow up miners are wusses...seriously lol no honor in that. However, learn some tricks of the trade and the gankers get to cry bowls of their own tears as they get to watch you warp away while they jam their fat little cheeto poof covered fingers on the warp scrambler button only to say DANG! THAT MINER HAS WARP CORE STABS! -RAGE- lol

Its especially funny when they warp in, cloak up and try to get next to you. That's pervy/stalkerish to me....I understand I look cuddly and all but I'm not interested in spooning with you haha but legit as soon as they hit the asteroid belt, you see them (or d-scan/overview catches them) and then you see them just vanish.

What's even funnier is when 'ol Michael Epic cuts his Covetor lasers, triggers the cloak of his own and also disappears and moves away from the spot where I was haha its hilarious to see the ship reappear in the spot where you were, sit for a minute or three and then warp away.

Last night I was sitting about 3000km above the guy haha had he went UP like 2 seconds worth he could have uncloaked me. Predictable gankers :)

Its much more satisfying to outsmart you than anything else. You have your ships, which CCP gave you and your ammo and warp scramblers and hybrid turrets and all that crap....and I have intelligence and savvy.

Gankers 2 Michael Epic 10 (so far)

You are slacking
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#175 - 2014-05-08 16:00:41 UTC
If you are in for ganker tears,
roll a char, skill thrasher and a bit of gunnery.

Seek out gankers,
wait until they strike and blow up the victims wreck.

Works better with gate gankers.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#176 - 2014-05-08 16:07:32 UTC
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
If you are in for ganker tears,
roll a char, skill thrasher and a bit of gunnery.

Seek out gankers,
wait until they strike and blow up the victims wreck.

Works better with gate gankers.


Personally I suggest the Thrasher as well for doing that. If you split your guns, you can get the wreck and get the pod of the ganker if you are quick enough at it.

Although I know a guy who counter ganks in a T1 exploration frigate, for extra humiliation.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Miichael Epic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2014-05-08 16:08:52 UTC
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
If you are in for ganker tears,
roll a char, skill thrasher and a bit of gunnery.

Seek out gankers,
wait until they strike and blow up the victims wreck.

Works better with gate gankers.


I know....but I don't want to "gank" anyone. I have no desire to fly a fighting ship past a catalyst for factional warfare (if that's still around for Legion)

I like to mine/haul/manufacture and sell. My wallet is why I'm here and it needs to be getting fatter all the time.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#178 - 2014-05-08 16:13:42 UTC
Miichael Epic wrote:


I know....but I don't want to "gank" anyone. I have no desire to fly a fighting ship past a catalyst for factional warfare (if that's still around for Legion)

I like to mine/haul/manufacture and sell. My wallet is why I'm here and it needs to be getting fatter all the time.


Proc/Skiff, Blockade Runner, Jump Frieghter and Blops. The Quad of sensible industry piloting.

And Cyno Alts of course.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#179 - 2014-05-08 16:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project's Alt
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
If you are in for ganker tears,
roll a char, skill thrasher and a bit of gunnery.

Seek out gankers,
wait until they strike and blow up the victims wreck.

Works better with gate gankers.


Personally I suggest the Thrasher as well for doing that. If you split your guns, you can get the wreck and get the pod of the ganker if you are quick enough at it.

Although I know a guy who counter ganks in a T1 exploration frigate, for extra humiliation.

Risking failing to destroy the wreck.
The pods are worth nothing for the ganker,
but the loot inside the wreck... everything.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#180 - 2014-05-08 16:23:48 UTC
Organic Lager wrote:

Well **** me right, I just found out I'm a hot chick.


That's not always as cool as it sounds.




☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.