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Sorry I missed the devblog where datacore production is being moved out of hi-sec, Could you point me to it?

Also when did CCP redistribute all the moons evenly across 0.0 to make sure that T2 producers don't have to import any of it?

…and that remains as true as ever due to how resources are distributed.

Yes there is. Almost everything, in fact, due to the logistics and (yes, still) costs involved in doing so. The gap is just much more narrow now so null actually has the ability to be competitive with the right kind of setup. That's all.

…and what did it look like in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011? Who was in charge of the elections at these various times? What was the timing of the election in relation to other large events?

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Are you?
Are you also that clueless about moon goo and about ore and about production facilities and about logistics?

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Hold it. You're making several flawed assumptions but the most glaring is the fate of current large scale industrialists after the industry changes. I suspect this is a result of holding onto this 'casual independent' playstyle leading you to be completely ignorant about the real response of industrialists to the proposed changes.

Other than you, I've not seen a single person complain they are about to be turned into null-sec serfs, forced to labour for nothing for the cartels etc. They're busy formulating plans to adjust their operations to profit from these changes, not sobbing all over the forums. If anything the 'cartels' might consider a degree of caution given how much ISK and effort can be shifted into their sphere and their relatively flimsy tools to monitor or extract any profit from those operations. As well as how destructive that type of player can be if they see potential profit to be made.

There are solo players with trillions of ISK who can out-research, invent, manufacture and trade some existing nullsec alliances. Most importantly, they can out-think the vast majority of players engaged in any sort of economic activity. If nullsec alliances are about to leap into these arenas, they might be slightly unprepared for just how vicious and competitive it actually is. Granted GSF has a cabal with some of the smartest economic thinkers, but the wider CFC doesn't and neither does the rest of nullsec.

Remember, heavy indy types typically have experience, capital, they are nowhere near as risk averse as you assume and they are driven by acquiring personal profit without any loyalty or shame. Most importantly they have none of the duties or obligations alliances do. Their costs are running, capex, subs etc not SRP, JB fuel, infrastructure, investment in Supers. Adding, say rent fees onto their costs is negligible. Solo or small groups have less of the risk and none of the communication problems larger groups do trying to run massive industrialist schemes.

If you think industrialists are so thick they'll hand over their money and effort to their alliances (even as active PVP members) I'd remind you of the Supercap sellers who have historically sold to their enemies - and even rented from their 'enemies' in order to do so incognito - because they separate their obligations to their combat mains from their ISK making activities.

So in your mind, null sec is for mining, low sec is for PVP and high sec is for profit?

That's just... just no.

All sectors of space are supposed to have their own flavour but viably give a choice for a variety of playstyles. As it currently works, pretty much every playstyle works in high sec, in safety, with very little need for direct interaction, while other sectors of space can do at best a subset of highsec activities with additional risk and a necessity to work with others.

High sec should be less profitable in most situations as it's easier in most situations. That said, when logistics are factored in, these changes break about even. The only real difference is you can;t all pile in and around Jita anymore and have to spread out, having to move things a few jumps through safe space to and from hubs. Oh no, the horror.

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…oh, and note how the same tools that offer more freedom for nullsec industry also offer more freedom for highsec industry. Everyone is getting a boost by this because more is given over to player control. All kinds of silly artificial NPC-regulated restrictions are being replaced by mechanics that respond to player dynamics and which let you play how you want, where you want, without being shackled to any particular area or structure or grind.

The only potential “downside” (and I'm being very generous with the use of that word here) is that some content may be less universally valuable since its use is no longer a mandatory for the industrial game play.

We will drag you kicking and screaming into this Golden Age of EVE

No, you'll drag people kicking and screaming to the 'Cancel Subscription' button.

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