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Vhelnik Cojoin
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#141 - 2014-05-08 13:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vhelnik Cojoin
Velicitia wrote:
NOTE --> I'm probably (still) effing up the maths, since i'm doing this on the fly, rather than with a good tool (yay work).

A Mackinaw mines 1718 m3/min, while a Hulk gives 1859 m3/min. These numbers are at level V skills yet without any implants.
This increases to 2398 and 2608 respectively when given a full Orca boost.
A further increase to 2701 and 2942 is provided if the Orca pilot has the Mining Foreman Mindlink and full level V skills where relevant.

These numbers include the yield from a wing of 5x T2 mining drones, the yield from which is not subject to fleet boost effects.

Unrelated comment: I really wish my fellow mining brothers and sisters would get with the game, stop complaining so much and get themselves a PvP alt... Pirate

Have you Communicated with your fellow capsuleers today? It is good for the EvE-oconomy and o-kay for you.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#142 - 2014-05-08 13:52:09 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
You are woefully out of place in this competitive game. You should be playing a game that only offers 'co-op' style play and that has solid rules and mechanics against competition and 'griefing'.
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I, again, have to respectfully disagree... EVE is not "just" a competative game, it's also a cooperative game... it's a sandbox non the less, not a MOBA or dedicated e-sports game. Granted, basically everything in EVE is a cometition of some sorts, but without cooperation it would be non existent...


Please point out where i just the word "just".

Competition is the overwhelming feature of EVE. If EVE you CAN cooperate (but don't have to). You WILL compete if you play the game at all. Period.

The fact that you don't like this (and mistakenly think that the existence of high sec someone justifies what you want to believe) is proof of what I'm saying: the problem is your attitude and and un-EVE-like disposition, not anything people like Kaarous are doing.

The gankers and the PVE players who actually defend themselves against them (through using good sense, planning and tanking their ships/cooperating with other like minded players) are playing the game correctly. The people who get ganked then rage and ask CCP for changes (especially since CCP has not given them tools like the Procurer) while making death threats are the only problem i see here.


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That, of course, also means: EVE is what players make of it...


EVe is what everyone makes of it, not just 'you'. That's the whole point, a person who wants to do his own thing and not be subject to people like Kaarous are playing the wrong game.



I ask you, Shalua Rui, if you feel the way you obvioulsy do, WHY are you playing EVE instead of Star Trek Online or some other game where people like Kaarous can't do what they do?It makes no sense to me. Personally, if i didn't like being tackled, the LAST thing I'd do is strap on pads and walk onto an American football field.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#143 - 2014-05-08 13:59:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

I ask you, Shalua Rui, if you feel the way you obvioulsy do, WHY are you playing EVE instead of Star Trek Online or some other game where people like Kaarous can't do what they do?It makes no sense to me. Personally, if i didn't like being tackled, the LAST thing I'd do is strap on pads and walk onto an American football field.


Word.

You my nerfherder.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#144 - 2014-05-08 14:05:12 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
"highsec is there for a reason"?

Pretty sure that reason isn't "mine endlessly in complete safety".

You might want to drop a ticket so a GM can answer that, but I am pretty sure I saw somewhere that you aren't safe anywhere in EVE unless you're docked. Idk where, just popped into my head for some reason.

It is also stated nowhere that highsec is where "lazy, bored gankers go to get their kicks", yet it's a reality... you may be the exception, since you gank everywhere as you said yourself, but there are others that take the easiest route to get their thrills.

Yes. That's the sad reality,
but has nothing to do with gankers per se.
It's the "no-effort" attitude that is independent of gameplay.
You'll find that i mission runners as much as in miners, gankers, anybody.

And while I certainly agree that there are lots of weak minds out there,
I can guarantee that not everybody does things just for kicks.

I never considered this game to be fun. If I wanted fun,
I'd play completely different games.
Drak Morgan
Society of the Prevention of Cruelty to Drones
#145 - 2014-05-08 14:06:29 UTC
Here is the solution. Train into a bkackops or covert ops; get cloaking high. Strap on your miners and upgrades and implants, sit more than 2km from your roid with a glass of warm milk your blanky and a cookie and just cloak when the gankers come for you. Forget ship bonuses and crap cuz you don't want to play the game right anyway.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#146 - 2014-05-08 14:07:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Jenn aSide wrote:
I ask you, Shalua Rui, if you feel the way you obvioulsy do, WHY are you playing EVE instead of Star Trek Online or some other game where people like Kaarous can't do what they do?It makes no sense to me. Personally, if i didn't like being tackled, the LAST thing I'd do is strap on pads and walk onto an American football field.

I'll answer in a second, but first: It's not just "me" I'm writing about here... actually, it's not really me at all, since I have had my play style for close to 10 years now, and I never had any problems with the game or it's community, whatsoever... I mean, in all my years, I only lost 4 ships (my own fault), and I never been podded once... what I'm talking about is the problems the game has. The problems that CCP seam to be unabe to fix (they just ignore them call them emergent gameplay Roll), the problems that make EVE a nieche product that the general populus perceive as either a toxic playground for virtual sociopaths or/and speard sheets in space.

So, why do I play it? Because I'm fiercely in love with it... I love the mood, the style, the lore, the people I choose to play with, the theory crafting and fiddling with ships, the industry and the markets... no other game has that.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#147 - 2014-05-08 14:13:12 UTC
EvEs core mechanics =/= problems

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#148 - 2014-05-08 14:15:06 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
EvEs core mechanics =/= problems

That's why they are redone every now and then... uhu. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#149 - 2014-05-08 14:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Shalua Rui wrote:

I'll answer in a second, but first: It's not just "me" I'm writing about here... actually, it's not really me at all, since I have had my play style for close to 10 years now, and I never had any problems with the game or it's community, whatsoever... I mean, in all my years, I only lost 4 ships (my own fault), and I never been podded once... what I'm talking about is the problems the game has. The prolblems that CCP seam to be unabe to fix (s they just ignore them call them emergent gameplay Roll), the problems that make EVE a nieche product that the general populus perceive as either a toxic playground for virtual sociopaths or/and speard sheets in space.


So your problem is that EVE isn't more popular? How would EVE being more popular help you or me in the slightest?

And why would anyone want more of the "general populous" here? Look at the games (and other activities) the 'general populous' flock to. You really want that for EVE?

A few days ago I was having a talk with a friend and he said something like that when talking about TV.

I told him "there is a reason why TRASH like the Maury Povich show (famous for the phrase "you ARE/ARE NOT the FATHER") has higher ratings than ANY show on PBS ....despite how at least some PBS shows being actually useful to humanity".

The only way EVE becomes more popular with the masses is if you turn it into the same trash as the rest of the MMO world.

No thank you.

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So, why do I play it? Because I'm fiercely in love with it... I love the mood, the style, the lore, the people I choose to play with, the theory crafting and fiddling with ships, the industry and the markets... no other game has that.


Many other games do this while also preventing the things you complain about, so this answer is basically non-responsive.

So let me rephrase. Why do you put up with things you obviously hate when you could be playing other (almost) as in depth games that also mechanically prevent the things you obviously hate?
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#150 - 2014-05-08 14:19:35 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
EvEs core mechanics =/= problems

That's why they are redone every now and then... uhu. Blink

Things change, because change is necessary.

Some things might be broken, but not everything is.

In EVE, rebalancing of ships creates new content... for example.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#151 - 2014-05-08 14:20:21 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
EvEs core mechanics =/= problems

That's why they are redone every now and then... uhu. Blink


The 'core' mechanics haven't changed for a long long long time. One core mechanic (non-consensual pvp) has remained virtually the same since inception.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#152 - 2014-05-08 14:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
EvEs core mechanics =/= problems

That's why they are redone every now and then... uhu. Blink


Really?

The things you call problems have been "redone" have they?

I guess I missed the patch notes on that.

Shalua Rui wrote:
what I'm talking about is the problems the game has. The problems that CCP seam to be unabe to fix (they just ignore them call them emergent gameplay Roll)


Please expand on these, as I appear to have misunderstood what you have meant by "problems"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Max Essen
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#153 - 2014-05-08 14:24:02 UTC
I mine and do industry because I enjoy it.
Gankers try to blow me up because they enjoy it.

It's all good and fun.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#154 - 2014-05-08 14:28:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Jenn aSide wrote:
So let me rephrase. Why do you put up with things you obviously hate when you could be playing other (almost) as in depth games that also mechanically prevent the things you obviously hate?

I hate people picking on other people... that's my baseline... I would have to stop living if I would try to avoid that. I can't have it, I can't enjoy it, and I can't understand other people that do... not even in a game. *shrugs*

...and no, no other game has exactly what EVE has ...yet.

FInally: Why do I want EVE to be more popular? Because it's a good game that turns many people off with it's general unfriendlyness, and (certain parts) of the community are as much to blame for that then CCP... difference is, CCP seams to be willing to learn... sometimes.

@Ramona: Crime System, as an example... still not perfect, but has been redone.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#155 - 2014-05-08 14:32:00 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:

I hate people picking on other people...


Then you are playing the wrong game.


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that's my baseline... I would have to stop living if I would try to avoid that. I can't have it, I can't enjoy it, and I can't understand other people that do... not even in a game. *shrugs*


Then you are playing the wrong game.

Here you go.

https://register.perfectworld.com/sto_splashB

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#156 - 2014-05-08 14:32:16 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Why do I want EVE to be more popular? Because it's a good game that turns many people off with it's general unfriendlyness, and (certain parts) of the community are as much to blame for that then CCP... difference is, CCP seams to be willing to learn... sometimes.


If you let in the muggles, it wont be a good game anymore

I came to EvE because of the lack of WoWheads and CoDKids, not inspite of it

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#157 - 2014-05-08 14:33:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:

I hate people picking on other people...


Here you go.

https://register.perfectworld.com/sto_splashB


Then she doesnt do the market, or mine in other people's belts then.

Agh PW... my poor eyes and wallet

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Drak Morgan
Society of the Prevention of Cruelty to Drones
#158 - 2014-05-08 14:34:39 UTC
Accept everyone is out to get you. Embrace the darkside and get your cookie. ;)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#159 - 2014-05-08 14:35:21 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Why do I want EVE to be more popular? Because it's a good game that turns many people off with it's general unfriendlyness, and (certain parts) of the community are as much to blame for that then CCP... difference is, CCP seams to be willing to learn... sometimes.


If you let in the muggles, it wont be a good game anymore

I came to EvE because of the lack of WoWheads and CoDKids, not inspite of it


Bingo. I started playing EVE, and I still play EVE, because of this.

And I enjoy, I literally revel in the reputation this game has, because it keeps all the "gamer" demographics that I despise from playing it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#160 - 2014-05-08 14:36:36 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I came to EvE because of the lack of WoWheads and CoDKids, not inspite of it

I'm pretty sure there a plenty of the latter in certain corps... Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)