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25% dps drop for Gecko in Kronos

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Dave Stark
#21 - 2014-05-08 09:07:17 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.


I'm pretty sure I heard Fozzie say that the drone damage was being changed to compensate for the 100% to 50% drop. The change in the skill affect is to limit the apparent requirement to train to level V and not to nerf the damage output of drones.


yes, all other drones are getting a 33% boost.

the gecko has been added to the game with that boost already applied. therefore the gap between geckos and other drones will be closing up come kronos.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-05-08 09:08:35 UTC
Geckos will still be the fastest heavies with the best tracking. You know you have winners on your hands when they can blap faction elite frigs in PvE.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#23 - 2014-05-08 09:09:24 UTC
Cultural Enrichment wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Merida DunBrogh wrote:
I wonder how the rattlesnake will be with 1 gecko VS 2 heavies/sentries in terms of paper DPS and applied DPS, and how quickly you would lose those drones.

After Kronos, 2 heavies will actually provide more DPS and applied damage than a single Gecko since you can tailor it to specific resistances.

2 Ogres will still have less speed, less tracking and probably less EHP
2 valkyries will still have less damage.
The future of the Gecko is looking fine, instead of being the absolute god of drones.


This is pretty much my thought on the matter as well. Right now it utterly invalidates each and every heavy drone, post Kronos it won't, which is a good thing, tradeoffs are important.

For me, I can't honestly see a situation in which I would still use a normal Heavy drone unless I expect the Gecko to die, or it's shooting into a Thermal hole. Because the Gecko has that rainbow damage.

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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#24 - 2014-05-08 10:03:53 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.


I'm pretty sure I heard Fozzie say that the drone damage was being changed to compensate for the 100% to 50% drop. The change in the skill affect is to limit the apparent requirement to train to level V and not to nerf the damage output of drones.


yes, all other drones are getting a 33% boost.

the gecko has been added to the game with that boost already applied. therefore the gap between geckos and other drones will be closing up come kronos.


I understand. Probably why we only get 3 each to prevent an uber Gecko meta in between now and Kronos.

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Merida DunBrogh
Black Screen Of Raging Defeat
#25 - 2014-05-08 10:14:14 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.


I'm pretty sure I heard Fozzie say that the drone damage was being changed to compensate for the 100% to 50% drop. The change in the skill affect is to limit the apparent requirement to train to level V and not to nerf the damage output of drones.


yes, all other drones are getting a 33% boost.

the gecko has been added to the game with that boost already applied. therefore the gap between geckos and other drones will be closing up come kronos.


I understand. Probably why we only get 3 each to prevent an uber Gecko meta in between now and Kronos.


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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#26 - 2014-05-08 11:28:52 UTC
Drones are getting nerfed? Cool! Drones make PvP stupid.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#27 - 2014-05-08 12:25:29 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Give people free super drones for a month and they complain.


This comes to mind.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2014-05-08 12:57:59 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec.
…except that none of that is actually happening.

Instead, drones are being balanced and highsec is getting buffed.

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And the faction damage mods on the way won't even begin to address the ridiculous nerfs drones have endured
Since the drone nerfs are pretty minute — in fact, many drones are getting pretty significantly buffed — they will address it just fine. But of course, having decided beforehand what you want the changes to be, this fact is not something you will have picked up because it doesn't fit your incorrect assumptions.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#29 - 2014-05-08 13:08:30 UTC
Seems stupid to nerf the gecko when its a limited commodity.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#30 - 2014-05-08 13:13:55 UTC
Removed an off topic post.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2014-05-08 13:15:50 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Seems stupid to nerf the gecko when its a limited commodity.

Then again, they're not actually nerfing the Gecko, so that turns out ok.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#32 - 2014-05-08 14:07:29 UTC
The Gecko will essentially be the same as it is now, its just that other drones will be more powerful which closes the gap a bit. That isnt a reason to say "enjoy your Geckos until the NERF in June" because it isn't really going to be a nerf. They will still be powerful little drones, just not officer drones lol
Dave Stark
#33 - 2014-05-08 14:11:37 UTC
there is a "nerf". it just has nothing to do with geckos themselves.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#34 - 2014-05-08 14:15:17 UTC
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Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-05-08 14:16:57 UTC
Guys you are all missing the point.

Geckos are the BEST PvP drone due to omni damage.

They are fast, versatile, have amazing tank, and good tracking.

Just last night i took my stratios out on a hunt, and I did not have to worry about pulling out the right set of drones for the target - I simply dropped 2 Geckos on the field.

Yes if you are fighting a boat with a known resist hole, maybe it makes more sense to pull out a specific drone - but more often then not, you just dont have the time to pick and chose, and there the Gecko shines.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-05-08 14:21:20 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec.

NICE SEGUE
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#37 - 2014-05-08 14:30:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Seems stupid to nerf the gecko when its a limited commodity.

Then again, they're not actually nerfing the Gecko, so that turns out ok.



Whether directly or indirectly, it's the only drone getting weaker.

So technicalities aside, any sane person would call it a nerf.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#38 - 2014-05-08 14:37:18 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Whether directly or indirectly, it's the only drone getting weaker.
No, it's not.
Nor would it particularly make it a Gecko nerf even if it were the case.

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So technicalities aside, any sane person would call it a nerf.
Only if they're dishonest, since there is no nerf to geckos.
Dave Stark
#39 - 2014-05-08 14:40:30 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Seems stupid to nerf the gecko when its a limited commodity.

Then again, they're not actually nerfing the Gecko, so that turns out ok.



Whether directly or indirectly, it's the only drone getting weaker.

So technicalities aside, any sane person would call it a nerf.


the drone isn't getting weaker at all.
people who don't read dev blogs would call it a nerf.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#40 - 2014-05-08 14:45:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Benny Ohu wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec.

NICE SEGUE


He did manage to get that in before someone else came in and said the only solution is to nerf high sec.

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