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Biomassing character if podded after crime. A counter to ganking.
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Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-05-08 11:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Camper101
This thread is wrong in so many ways.


Ban OP please.


Edit: Referring to the first post: Why wouldn'T gankers just base their clones in Lowsec med facilities, when the highsec ones don't offer them their service anymore? ^^

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#22 - 2014-05-08 11:13:11 UTC
Camper101 wrote:
This thread is wrong in so many ways.


Ban OP please.


Edit: Referring to the first post: Why wouldn'T gankers just base their clones in Lowsec med facilities, when the highsec ones don't offer them their service anymore? ^^


There is precedent for this --> see: Templar One (that Gallente Navy pilot who defected to Mordu's Legion).

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#23 - 2014-05-08 11:20:26 UTC
That's almst too easy... even for me. Blink

Let's just say: No, with a but... which is: I still find it rather strange that NPC corps have no problem whatsoever, reviving a character with a criminal flag... other then that: Unveasable idea, even for a non-ganker like me.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#24 - 2014-05-08 11:27:47 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Let's just say: No, with a but... which is: I still find it rather strange that NPC corps have no problem whatsoever, reviving a character with a criminal flag... other then that: Unveasable idea, even for a non-ganker like me.


Why would the corporation care? Was it their stuff you shot in the process of becoming a criminal?

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#25 - 2014-05-08 11:35:12 UTC
cynomakinggirl wrote:
As it is, ganking gives no risk whatsoever for the attacker, and all risk for the attacked.
The attacker only risks "losing" the potential loot if the drop is unlucky.
To counter this unfarly unbalanced mechanic, highsec NPC medical facilities will refuse to make a clone to whoever has a criminal flag.
If a criminal is podded after a crime, he/she can either chose to pay NPCs a huge amount of ISK per SP to "corrupt" it's way to a new clone, or get his/her character deleted forever.


Unleash the gankers tears!



My God!
Although I think the balance needs a little addressing, this is like .....? I cannot think of a suitably extreme analogy!

So bad idea, bad, bad........

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#26 - 2014-05-08 11:35:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
admiral root wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Let's just say: No, with a but... which is: I still find it rather strange that NPC corps have no problem whatsoever, reviving a character with a criminal flag... other then that: Unveasable idea, even for a non-ganker like me.


Why would the corporation care? Was it their stuff you shot in the process of becoming a criminal?


that, and the 20 million ISK you just paid for a new clone ... fuuuu they're rich.

edit -- NEW IDEA

If NPC Corp income* drops off in a system (constellation / region), then mission payouts drop!

Now it's in your best interests that the other guys in your corp get the pod when you're at war (or when someone goes suspect / criminal).



*Income from people buying new Med Clones, taxes, etc.


edit 2 -- yes I know this is terrible (but it's not nearly as bad as the OP's)Blink

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Titan Andronicus
Rookie Mission Tax Haven
#27 - 2014-05-08 12:03:29 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Let's just say: No, with a but... which is: I still find it rather strange that NPC corps have no problem whatsoever, reviving a character with a criminal flag... other then that: Unveasable idea, even for a non-ganker like me.


Why would the corporation care? Was it their stuff you shot in the process of becoming a criminal?


It's a good point from a RP perspective as NPC corps are affiliated with an empire faction that you may have a severe negative status with an be considered an ememy. For the Caldari the corporations literally are the state. Why would they facilitate the activities of their enemies by allowing unregulated and unrestricted re-birth in their sovereign space?

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cynomakinggirl
No Risk No ISK
#28 - 2014-05-08 12:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: cynomakinggirl
Camper101 wrote:
Why wouldn'T gankers just base their clones in Lowsec med facilities, when the highsec ones don't offer them their service anymore? ^^


Make it so that even lowsec ones don't accept clones in case of being podded while committing a crime in highsec, because then CONCORD would impose sanctions to the corporation because the corp "facilitates criminal activities".
If the criminal has very good standings with the corp in question, they may still accept to make a clone due to having good relationships with the pilot and find it worth paying the CONCORD sanction.

I'd extend this logic even to outposts. If you happen to clone into an enemy outpost... BIOMASS!

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-05-08 12:46:52 UTC
As a hardcore carebear, my opinion is an ABSOLUTE NO!!!!!

Ganking is a legitimate game mechanic.


Yes, if ganking becomes "too" common, it will drive people from the game, but CCP is well aware of this and has mechanics in place to assure it is kept to an acceptable level that allows ganking when appropriate but doesn't let it get too out of hand.
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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-05-08 12:51:15 UTC
Delete thread, ban OP.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#31 - 2014-05-08 12:52:35 UTC
Ah, F&I, the only board where you can troll this badly and still retain your posting ability.

OP, biomass your character instead.

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Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#32 - 2014-05-08 12:53:38 UTC
cynomakinggirl wrote:
As it is, ganking gives no risk whatsoever for the attacker, and all risk for the attacked.
The attacker only risks "losing" the potential loot if the drop is unlucky.
To counter this unfarly unbalanced mechanic, highsec NPC medical facilities will refuse to make a clone to whoever has a criminal flag.
If a criminal is podded after a crime, he/she can either chose to pay NPCs a huge amount of ISK per SP to "corrupt" it's way to a new clone, or get his/her character deleted forever.


Unleash the gankers tears!


Nice troll bro

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-05-08 13:04:22 UTC
I demand maintenance costs for every ship docked up in an NPC station, docking and undocking fee's, bribeable police forces and no respawn afer being podded.

I promise you, there wouldn't be any freighter ganks anymore because nobody would dare fly a freighter. Lol

...

Oh wait, I forgot natural human stupidity, guess there still would be freighter ganks and the cries for complete safety would never stop after all. Ugh

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#34 - 2014-05-08 13:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Titan Andronicus wrote:
It's a good point from a RP perspective as NPC corps are affiliated with an empire faction that you may have a severe negative status with an be considered an ememy. For the Caldari the corporations literally are the state. Why would they facilitate the activities of their enemies by allowing unregulated and unrestricted re-birth in their sovereign space?

Exactly... and you could have commited a crime against them by podding one of their mission runners/high standing capsuleers, so they could refuse to resurrect you, forcing you to seek help in another system/sector and with another faction... the system would have to be much more flexible then it is now, of course, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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Kate Blaze
True Power Capsuleers
#35 - 2014-05-08 14:41:52 UTC
Your thread gives me feeling that you think ganking is a problem that needs to be fixed...
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-05-08 15:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
hmmmm .. should characters be forced into the biomass process - f*ck no.

although the penalties for ganking are mostly negligible, and to a large extent meaningless
this is taking it way too far


should characters with negative standing be allowed to biomass - no
standings grinding or tag redemption should be required first.
as consequences to ganking go, it's not much, but the final choice is left to the player


biomassing should only be a choice for the player playing the game
its something that they should have to think about, and choose to do
removing choice from the player is ALWAYS a 'bad idea™'
cynomakinggirl
No Risk No ISK
#37 - 2014-05-08 18:32:22 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
hmmmm .. should characters be forced into the biomass process - f*ck no.

although the penalties for ganking are mostly negligible, and to a large extent meaningless
this is taking it way too far


should characters with negative standing be allowed to biomass - no
standings grinding or tag redemption should be required first.
as consequences to ganking go, it's not much, but the final choice is left to the player


biomassing should only be a choice for the player playing the game
its something that they should have to think about, and choose to do
removing choice from the player is ALWAYS a 'bad idea™'


Did you miss the part where I said that a player could corrupt it's way to a new clone with huge amounts of ISK?

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#38 - 2014-05-08 18:59:39 UTC
Lost a crane recently in Jita to a Tornado. We both were unlucky, as I had no cargo.

I'm against the OP's proposal.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-05-08 19:12:54 UTC
It's funny how people always assume gankers tear at all.... They kinda lose ships on a daily basis.....


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No, Op. Wanna counter ganking? Gank the gankers. Fly around in an insta locking interceptor in high risk areas and as soon as they start ganking, wait for their pods, then pod them. Welcome to Eve. It's a cold, dark place. Don't wanna get ganked? Don't undock. Everyone get's ganked. Whether it be Ministry of Love or other gankers, or Snuffbox and 40 dreads..... Everyone get's ganked.

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Doomheim
#40 - 2014-05-08 19:22:39 UTC
OP: For your heresy against HTFU and calls to nerf hisec we are adding a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue. Another innocent carebear in hisec will be murdered in your name by one of our highly trained inquisitors.

Your heresies, our hands, their blood, your conscience. When these heresies against HTFU stop, we will stop.

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