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Corporation LP Pool/Wallet
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Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-03-20 07:37:00 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Loyalty points are between the player and the corp...they should never be transferrable in my opinion, it just makes no sense in corporation terms...

I think a 'letter of recommendation' method could work to push a players lp up to faction level but other than that i can't agree on player to player lp transfer or lp tax. ('Player corp to npc corp: 'We're taking some of your trust in bob by way of tax. That's ok by you isn't it?'...



it does in FW.....FW corps should get a small % of the LP. for having the logistics and leadership to man a corp willing to fight for the faction

this will help FW corps do SRP.....and that = more willing PVP
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-03-20 08:33:12 UTC
I would suggest a change whereby a corp can register with a faction for faction war and on that basis gets a commission based on the LP earned by a capsuleer in that corp. This would be LP to the corp wallet for use buying Faction gear (which obviously can be sold or used as thr corp wishes).

LP should always remain between the corp and capsuleer in terms of the current system though. You could argue that the player should be making the donations to the corp voluntarily to repay the support given. They are after all Privateers serving a given faction whilst it suits them and many are known to switch factions depending on who gives the best LP at any given time.
BAJRAN BALI
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-03-20 12:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: BAJRAN BALI
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
or you no, if your a real FW corp you have your tax rate set to 50% and have you members run missions for LP since you no LP in missions is WAY more isk than runing plexs. and wow look at that tons of isk.


TLDR: No, dont need another way for stupids leading masses to get rich.


If I'm understanding you right, this thread is not about individuals getting richer. REAL FW corps don't run missions 23.5/7... They are out there fighting and taking the systems needed. Even if they did you need the higher FW tiers to make missions worth while. Those pilots are in their respected corps to have a support system just like any other part of space. Their corps likely rent offices, give out ships, do logistics, and if your really lucky give SRP. Low sec FW corps have a unique problem with their taxation of members. If they were able to get help from their members in this manner I think your would see even more destruction out of low sec.

Also another part of it for null sec is those new ESS's pay out LP. Those Null blocks one day will want a slice of that pie.

Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
I would suggest a change whereby a corp can register with a faction for faction war and on that basis gets a commission based on the LP earned by a capsuleer in that corp. This would be LP to the corp wallet for use buying Faction gear (which obviously can be sold or used as thr corp wishes).

LP should always remain between the corp and capsuleer in terms of the current system though. You could argue that the player should be making the donations to the corp voluntarily to repay the support given. They are after all Privateers serving a given faction whilst it suits them and many are known to switch factions depending on who gives the best LP at any given time.


The issue I see with the registration is that this would be FW only... That could be a big problem in the long run as it wouldn't... and I can't belive I'm going to say this... FAIR for other groups who don't do FW. Each type of space should in some way be profitable, but you can't tilt one section of space to be more so without have serious drawbacks. Take WH's they are unique, but CRAZY profitable and have massive drawbacks. FW LOW SEC is still LOW SEC. Tilting that section of low sec that hard could be a problem. If we just add LP tax to everyone we still have a fairly level playing field.

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#24 - 2014-03-20 16:10:34 UTC
Honestly, it would be nice if there was a 105% or a 101% payout for missions and player corporations got that 1% LP for having their members service a major faction.

It would give players an incentive to form their own corps in HS and possibly pull some players out of the NPC corp pool. In addition it could help fund fleet ops, fuel POS's, etc. And yes, someone will steal it, god willing.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#25 - 2014-03-20 16:32:18 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
And yes, someone will steal it, god willing.

That's the spirit hehe

I'm right behind you
BAJRAN BALI
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-03-20 17:49:36 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
Honestly, it would be nice if there was a 105% or a 101% payout for missions and player corporations got that 1% LP for having their members service a major faction.

It would give players an incentive to form their own corps in HS and possibly pull some players out of the NPC corp pool. In addition it could help fund fleet ops, fuel POS's, etc. And yes, someone will steal it, god willing.


Are you saying that there should be a set flat tax that players can not change? Also with the over 100% payout we'd see more disposable LP rather than keeping it the same.

On to your second point I agree that an LP tax would be a HUGE incentive for the high sec guys! Could also open up new doors for scammers... Could even aid those high sec gankers... recruit and awox Twisted

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#27 - 2014-03-20 18:10:59 UTC
BAJRAN BALI wrote:

Are you saying that there should be a set flat tax that players can not change? Also with the over 100% payout we'd see more disposable LP rather than keeping it the same.

On to your second point I agree that an LP tax would be a HUGE incentive for the high sec guys! Could also open up new doors for scammers... Could even aid those high sec gankers... recruit and awox Twisted



1. Flat Tax. No. What I'm looking at is this: LP pays out 100% to player. There is an additional (1%, .1%, whatever) that generates and goes into the corporate wallet. For NPC corps this will amount to no gain (there are no players able to take advantage of the corp wallet). For player corps; it gives incentive for people to come out of NPC corps and gives a way for corps to help fund ops, etc.

2. Being able to tax LP and Market transactions as a corp? Please no.
BAJRAN BALI
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-05-08 12:17:28 UTC
Haven't seen activity on this lately, but don't want to see it die off. I know FW mechanics are coming up soon and this needs to be fresh in the dev's minds.

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Seith Kali
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-05-08 18:57:24 UTC
I love the idea of a corporation sub-contracting missions to mission runners/ LP farming mercenaries. There's so much gameplay potential in tradable LP it is crazy not to allow it.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-05-09 03:48:26 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
BAJRAN BALI wrote:

Are you saying that there should be a set flat tax that players can not change? Also with the over 100% payout we'd see more disposable LP rather than keeping it the same.

On to your second point I agree that an LP tax would be a HUGE incentive for the high sec guys! Could also open up new doors for scammers... Could even aid those high sec gankers... recruit and awox Twisted



1. Flat Tax. No. What I'm looking at is this: LP pays out 100% to player. There is an additional (1%, .1%, whatever) that generates and goes into the corporate wallet. For NPC corps this will amount to no gain (there are no players able to take advantage of the corp wallet). For player corps; it gives incentive for people to come out of NPC corps and gives a way for corps to help fund ops, etc.

2. Being able to tax LP and Market transactions as a corp? Please no.


That's a more workable idea I think, no trading or taxinf of player/mission corp LP, but a 1% LP recognition of tyhe players corp could work *but* the malcanis thingybob would apply so the major corps would simply benefit even more and become further out of reach for the asmaller corps so on that basis I'm still undecided,,,
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-05-09 03:51:57 UTC
Seith Kali wrote:
I love the idea of a corporation sub-contracting missions to mission runners/ LP farming mercenaries. There's so much gameplay potential in tradable LP it is crazy not to allow it.


I like the idea of player corps sub-contracting missions...that could be fun, but it would have to be a change where a player corp can set up doctrine ships etc that players can earn LP for. Maybe faction fit for ratting or some suh. Not sure how this would work with some corps already giving ship replacements etc though. This idea would allow for larger corps to sub-con work to newer smaller corps though, maybe a way to engage more players into null...

See, I'm not anti-goon, just anti big groups cutting out possibilities for smaller groups :D
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