EVE General Discussion

I didn't think it was ready for TQ, but I just don't know enough about this to answer that question.

Well, of course almost anything is possible, if you just put the time needed into it.
I don't think CarbonUI would really help with the issues we had with the fitting window. I'm pretty sure these were issues that can be solved, but we just ran out of time and if we wanted to bring this feature back we would need to put time into fixing them.
I know it's a cliché, but it just comes down to prioritization (and also just if we really want it back).

This indeed.

It's annoying to always remember to select the ammo and invert selection every single time you want to drop off loot.

Indeed, people who don't have ridiculously large screens would be severely hampered by it. Admittedly it looks cool but I don't think it's very workable.

You guys were on the right path with what you were building in the new Neocom. I personally liked it, however I'm someone who quickly took a liking to the new Windows 7 peek features in the task bar and the new organization of the system tray and how they organize the start menu. In the IT world, I was a minority on release.

If you take the taskbar we use in Windows 7 and compare it to what we had back in the early 90's, you'll find that the basic functionality of what's in EVE now, in 2011, is similar to what was in 3.1 almost 20 years ago. What people complained about in the beta thread for the neocom were requests to bring it up to similar standards of technology we're used to now with Windows 7. Shoot, we can even turn off all the "fluff" that is Windows 7 and switch to classic view to dumb it down to what we've been accustomed to in the past. If you did anything in the IT world when the switch from 98/2000 > XP happened and the uproar of this new fangdangeled start menu and fisher price task bar that MS released, so many people quickly turned it all off. Some people have a hard time adapting and adjusting to something new. Please, keep these people in mind when migrating to something new.

In my opinion, with something as vital as the neocom, you need to keep this principle in mind. Remember when MS changed the start menu in XP, or upgraded that one to Vista. How many people wanted to turn off all those extra things in the XP menu? I adapted and appreciated the new menu, but so many XP computers I worked on removed the XP theme and switched the start menu to classic.

The idea behind the taskbar and it's basic functionality was to allow for a place to dock programs that you don't need on your current screen. It's functionality is to remove clutter and the future neocom can easily achieve this.

I currently have over 20 chat channels that open upon launch, this clutter is something I'd like to have cleaned up.

As it stands, "features" people have requested:
- Customizable to where we can add/remove and create mini sub-menus (seems you had that down pat in the beta).
- Ability to lock items to the neocom while not locking the whole thing. "Quick Launch"
- Ability to "minimize" to it so chat windows become a part of it.
- Ability to move the bar itself to any side of your monitor
- The ability to have it auto-hide.
- Icon Stacking
- Right click functionality for things which have multiple tabs. I.E: right click map > open system map / star map / auto pilot settings.
- Skinning via textures stored on my computer.
- Some kind of integrated assets feature... maybe a search area to where I can type in it and it pops open my assets or something.
- "Peek" for hover over of minimized chat windows. "Many intel channels, wanna just minimize them all off my screen and hover over to peek at what's going on to remove clutter"


I can't remember much more that was being requested. But re-inventing windows taskbar may not be far off from what people, considering we're already used to using it, were requesting :)

Anyway, good luck with building your projects. I don't envy you.

Zagdul for CSM!

brillant. CCP listen to this person

Funny thing is, we had the option on SiSi to enable new neocom. Wanna use it, ok, its optional. And some people QQ and it got scrapped. Keyword, OPTIONAL.

Brilliant, finally a non mandatory change in eve and its gone. Now we get a font some people dislike, they are stuck with it.
We get a nebula that is honestly great in most locations, but somewhere (Sela region in Lonetrek for example) its right awful, so bright you cant see the white letters in space....stupid really.
And no option to tone it down...we have been complaining about this since new nebula's hit SiSi, but i guess CCP dont give a damn.

New fitting window is half working product. It calculates hardeners cap usage, but doesn't show the resistances, to get any values we need to undock...or use FET/Pyfa. Also reported long ago....is CCP even reading into this stuff?

as long it stays optional like the little tab or whatever, I see no reason to pull it.

CCP need to listen. Which is my only hope right now.

back when the neo neocom was canned they were the "old" ccp. But maybe this new listens to the players CCP will notice there is merit and bring back the UI that almost looked like eve gate.

I mean people said the new forums would be an unused piece of **** because theyt are so terrible. And CCP still made us useit, and look, the new forums are fine. in fact many find it better.

new font

new UI

new forums,

in the nd, if it's different, and doesn't look the same, you will have people resist, have people... fight back. but honestly, it's it's a no brain features with nothing but usability improvements, then ccp need to ignore the early super angry response, and get a real pool out there or give it time to mature to find out what the majority of normal non 5% forum goers think.

EDIT: Corrected what I wanted to say in that post. Hope it makes more sense now.


I wrote it really late and meant to say early 90's.

I did mention that in my last post in this thread.

While typing all those words, in my mind, I was thinking about when we had 3.1 and how that relates to EVE right now. There were areas and programs you could install to "dock" commonly used programs. However, our screen was a cluttered mess of things until 95 hit the shelves. Shoot, I remember in 3.1 having small areas of my screen where I'd have my programs folder open, and a shortcut folder... All these things would be pretty much on your desktop. This is what EVE is like right now.

But I was tired, it was late and I wanted to make a point. By the time I got the words typed out and hit "POST", it got ganked by the site, I lost it, so I threw the words in that one out quickly. I'll make my corrections in a bit.

ahahhaha, this post got ganked too... (ctrl+a / ctrl+c'd this one though)