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What happened to the stuff Incarna was supposed to bring?

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Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#181 - 2014-05-07 21:08:56 UTC
Pssst....Walking in Space is now called EVE: Legion.

Pass it on.
Tasya Ffod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2014-05-07 21:20:03 UTC
Interesting thoughts have bounced in my head

For instance : http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/5/5684900/oculus-mmo-one-billion-people-facebook

Imagine the following:

You have Oculus support for Valkyrie (that is also been demo on PS4),
We have basic enviroment in Dust514
And we have Eve as an MMO

Now if CCP was to give one character over all (yes i know....) then what would stop the technologies from merging. There would be a great value in having a VR walkabout which was on both PC and PS4 ...

Ok there are a few big jumps there, but I like the direction CCP is heading. They might be the ones to pull it all off
Hevymetal
POT Corp
#183 - 2014-05-07 21:22:59 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Summary:

Lots of problems
Mass system crashes
Mass exodus
Big apology
Lots of problems
Exodus
Big apology
Refocus on spaceships
Apology
Problems
Scrap unprofitable division
Refocus on spaceships

and so it continues........


Added content and extended timeframe.
Cpt Swagg
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2014-05-07 21:25:54 UTC
Announcement:

CCP will release WIS when star citizen announces a release date.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#185 - 2014-05-07 21:45:14 UTC
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#186 - 2014-05-07 21:53:51 UTC
It is still coming, just not so obviously. Legion and Valkyrie are the new first steps.

Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.

I invented Tiericide
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#187 - 2014-05-07 22:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
I wish we could buy skill points...
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#188 - 2014-05-07 22:41:16 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ray Kyonhe wrote:
So, it's as simple as that: if you are able to create portable scanning and communication equipment tied with neurotoxin injector small enough to place it in your head, it will do even when you out of your egg. It's just a question of technological advancement.

Said advancement happened in lore with the discovery of the "new" implant tech DUST mercs - and, appearantly Valkyrie pilots - use... but, IMO the concept of the pod still holds up to a certain extend, though. I mean, you can always argue that controlling a large ship requires much more intricate data connections then controlling a combar suit or star fighter... connections, only a full immersion neuro interface can provide.

Still no reason why capsuleers should have to stay suspended in a "pod filled with goo" for the rest of their "eternal" lifes... hell, for all we know, the bodies we might use to "prance around all pretty in stations" could just as well be remote controlled husks.



The plan, at least from CCP Presents, so take that with a grain of salt if you will, is that we, being eve players, will be able to 'clone' into 4 states of consciousness. 1 being eve, 2 being legion/dust, and 3 being valk. So we will eventually be leaving our pods to do other things. IF the plan of everything rolled into one comes true

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#189 - 2014-05-07 23:01:18 UTC
Dalloway Jones wrote:
Pssst....Walking in Space is now called EVE: Legion.

Pass it on.
I think that this is closer to the truth. Like I mentioned in one of the other redundant dead horse WiS threads, it looks like what they wrote in the team avatar thread points to Legion, and quite possibly integration. If this is true, they would leave WiS mostly as it is, and as they have, and when you enter hostile stations or whatnot, you will be wearing a Legion suit (as they mentioned suits etc.). At the time they already had Dust going, and knew that it would eventually be ported to the PC once the contract was up with SONY, so were more likely bouncing around the idea of integrating the FPS into the EVE client. Obviously they roughly know how to with the EVE client, just as they did with Carbon and it's integration.

I'm in it for the money

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#190 - 2014-05-07 23:01:35 UTC
Tran Tuyen wrote:
Incarna was a disaster wrapped in a fiasco wrapped in a clusterf*ck. Really, you could take any of the individual elements (graphics card meltdowns, eliminating the hangar, lack of actual gameplay, years of half-assed features going untouched, $1000 pants, "Greed is Good" leak) and by itself it would probably be remembered as a bad expansion. Roll it all together and it's a miracle CCP didn't go bankrupt; it's not surprising so many players are soured on the idea of WIS and CCP is gun shy about picking it up again.

All that said, I think WIS can work, but it has to be meaningfully connected to the core spaceship game to be worth doing. "EVE is a spaceship game" doesn't mean any mechanic that doesn't directly involve spaceships is bad; PI, for instance, is basically a city management minigame, but it drives spaceship content. Virtual bars and poker rooms aren't going to do that; there needs to be some compelling way for WIS content to generate spaceship content.



With the unified theory coming, of all ccp games unified, they could easily add WiS that would benefit the games. For example, a war room where you can get a 3d map if your dust bunnies battling it out on the ground, or you can see where your ships are during a battle, or valkaryie pilots zipping along in there battle. It would be hard to do, but something like that would generate space content.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#191 - 2014-05-07 23:03:24 UTC
Cpt Swagg wrote:
Announcement:

CCP will release WIS when star citizen announces a release date.




SC is actually no threat to eve.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#192 - 2014-05-08 01:01:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Cpt Swagg wrote:
Announcement:

CCP will release WIS when star citizen announces a release date.




So, Q4 2016? That's, last I heard, their current announced release date.


DaReaper wrote:


SC is actually no threat to eve.



God himself could not sink this ship.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#193 - 2014-05-08 01:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
God himself could not sink this ship.

uh-huh, 11 years of development on EVE, not counting the alpha and beta years, and somehow it's going to sink like the Titanic to the SC release state? ...oh and not even mentioning how many more years of EVE development by the time hyped out SC actually launches... if it launches... if it's even a good release state game. Oh how quickly it's finicky players will turn away from SC if it doesn't deliver the pearly gates on demand.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#194 - 2014-05-08 01:46:58 UTC
now that WoD is cancelled, Legion can get some nice attention. also, I'm sure that WoD gave the team lots of valuable experience that they can now translate over to WiS. so, i'm pretty excited and hopeful that we will be leaving CQ sooner rather than later
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#195 - 2014-05-08 02:13:07 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
God himself could not sink this ship.

uh-huh, 11 years of development on EVE, not counting the alpha and beta years, and somehow it's going to sink like the Titanic to the SC release state?


Nice, but totally missed my point. Which was, by claiming it's impossible, you practically guarantee it will happen. The Universe seems to work like that.

And, bluntly, neither of us have any idea what will happened between here and Q5 2016. CCP could bought out by EA and run into the ground (WAR, SWTOR).
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#196 - 2014-05-08 03:35:04 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
by claiming it's impossible, you practically guarantee it will happen.

Is that some kind of logic from some sort of ancient nursery rhyme? Maybe you should check the translation and rethink your reasoning skills. Anyway you are the one referencing "the impossible", I just countered it logically and in great partiality.

Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
And, bluntly, neither of us have any idea what will happened between here and Q5 2016. CCP could bought out by EA and run into the ground (WAR, SWTOR).
Oh yes, or an asteroid could plummet to the earth resulting in the extinction of our species. Maybe uh... the black hole in the center of our galaxy will decide to defy physics and gulp up the entire milkyway in one momentary binge and EVE forever caught in a timeless singularity without even as much as a satisfying burp to ever come of it. Obviously all of that discounts the... obvious.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#197 - 2014-05-08 03:35:06 UTC
Aver Bheskagor wrote:
I have been a EVE player for about 4 years now, on a new account. I was here before, during, and after the Incarna expansion. I knew it was supposed to bring walking around outside of your pod with your avatar, which it did. But it was also supposed to bring multiplayer experience to inside the stations (bars, corporate offices, agent offices, etc.). What happened to all of that stuff? Is it still in development? Or a lost cause?

what? did you take a long break right after the announcement?

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#198 - 2014-05-08 13:18:10 UTC
Removed a post that was trolling.

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Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#199 - 2014-05-09 11:11:01 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Cpt Swagg wrote:
Announcement:

CCP will release WIS when star citizen announces a release date.




SC is actually no threat to eve.


I wouldn't be too sure about that. In my experience, there are many, many PvE, or PvE/PvP EVE players who play EVE because it's the only spaceship game in town, and merely tolerate the "silly" side of it. Or to put it another way, there are many EVE players who have adapted to EVE because it's the only serious space game in town, but don't necessarily love every little aspect of it.

Of course EVE is also a very rich, deep game , and that complexity is attractive. It's also got some great art design, lore, etc.; and these are also reasons for such a mainly-PvE-oriented player to keep playing EVE.

But ... if SC turns out to be all it promises to be, i.e. to have a comparable degree of gameplay richness, but with the PvP side a bit more tethered and less of a griefers' paradise (which seems to be what the SC crew is aiming at, judging from what I've seen of the way they're constructing the multiplayer galaxy and how the chance of random PvP encounters is going to be tailored to the level a player wants), then I could see quite a few players deserting EVE.

I wouldn't dare to venture a serious punt as to how big a chunk might be taken out of the EVE playerbase, but my intuition tells me probably at least 1/4.

However, that's a HUGE "if".
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#200 - 2014-05-09 14:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
45thtiger 0109 wrote:
Aver Bheskagor wrote:
I have been a EVE player for about 4 years now, on a new account. I was here before, during, and after the Incarna expansion. I knew it was supposed to bring walking around outside of your pod with your avatar, which it did. But it was also supposed to bring multiplayer experience to inside the stations (bars, corporate offices, agent offices, etc.). What happened to all of that stuff? Is it still in development? Or a lost cause?



No one wanted WIS to happen back then there was going to be an outrage and lots of players were going to leave the game.

This is a spaceship game and CCP said in a statement somewhere in these forum or threads in the past that WIS is not going to happen.

So do not expect CCP to worrie about useless WIS its not going to happen at all and it is a lost cause.

That is where Dust 514 has taken over with Walking and Fighting on Planets.





This is not correct.

Some people would enjoy WiS, some can't be bothered but NONE of us wanted WiS to have the main DEV focus as the game was in a bad state ( as it was back then). And while you're of course entitled to your opinion it's hardly factual nor are you speaking for all of us.

To me and many others WiS is FINE, once the game is in a decent state (so kinda after POS/SOV changes).