EVE New Citizens Q&A

This, this, so many times this.

NPC null sec is not player owned and anyone may freely dock at those stations regardless of standing with local NPC.
It is pretty safe once you learn to avoid the camped entry points. Been living out here since i was a few weeks old and running back to high sec to shop is now a minor matter barely needing attention.
It is also easy to run combat sigs in hostile space once you have a handle on null safety (don't try this until you have been out here for a while).

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Hey All,

Not to hijack this thread completely, but I am a new player as well, day 8 or 9 of my sub actually, and I was wondering about both getting into low security spaces and doing something useful like mining while there.

After spending the last month or so buried neck deep in research and google results I pretty much settled on mining as a profession I really want to get into. Specifically I want to get at the rarer minerals out there. From what I understand these can only be found in quantity in lower security areas which are also PvP enabled.

So onto my questions:

• I've read and watched guides like this and this, but there is a danger that they are dated and old information. Are there any solid suggestions on a ship and the equipment I need to mine in lower security space? I've seen suggestions of the Gallente Vexor, Caldari Osprey, Venture Frigate (yellow makes a brighter target), and Procurer Mining Barge.


• Is every entrance gate to low-security space a camped death trap? I have heard a lot of things in the last few days I've been asking around in game. Almost unanimously people say “don't bother” or “you'll die on that first jump”. I just want to see if that is a consensus. Reading this thread there is a wealth of suggestions, but how much more difficult will it be to get mining equipment through these entrances?


• At what point skill wise should I be looking to get to before going into low-security spaces? I'm at 536,000 skill points at last count following information I found here, but that source doesn't have anything about mining. I know I can't be totally safe in PvP areas, but I don't think I should be taking silly risks especially if it just means being a little patient and waiting for a few skills to finish.


• Finally (for now :)) how much liquid capital should I save up? Should I have enough to replace the ship(s) I use many times over? Should I expect daily losses? Weekly? Hourly?

These are the main questions I have that have either no good answers out there or conflicting answers so I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. If it is more appropriate I suppose feel free to mail me in game (though I haven't figured out mail yet).

Thanks in advance.

A big thing is to find yourself a system in lowsec which has low traffic and lots of rocks. It should have a station too, because jumping to the next system is dangerous and time-consuming.

As for what ship you should use, honestly I've had far more trouble with NPC rats than players. I have fit a Procurer which is just cap stable enough to tank BC rats indefinitely. To do so I had to sacrifice a lot of rig space on cap upgrades but it's worth it. You shouldn't need to sacrifice mining laser upgrades to survive. I have no experience mining in cruisers. A Cov or Retriever will probably not be able to tank the rats.

If the system is empty enough, you can eject the ore in jetcans as you mine and come back in a Miasmos (T1 Gallente hauler w/ large ore bay). This can reduce 6 or 7 round trips to the station to 2.



In your star map under the second tab, you can select 'Statistics > Ships destroyed in the last hour/24 hours' (or something to that effect). This will give you an indicator of where gatecamps are. However, I actually haven't come across terribly many gatecamps. Before you start moving your big lumbering mining barge in, go through your route with a shuttle or frigate. Then, activate your tank, throw on warp core stabs and hope for the best.



It's more what skills than how many. If you're going to tank, then cap skills will be helpful (and, of course, the skills for the modules). Powergrid skills are useful for any fit. The unfortunate truth is that if someone gets a jump on you, you're going down. Perhaps I might be able to tank one or two T1 frigates in my Proc but anything beyond that and I'm a dead man. Instead, focus on mining skills to increase your yield.



That depends on how frequently you mine, but I've only lost one barge so far in the few weeks I've had a ship out there (I don't mine every day). If you find a good system and play safe you should expect no more than weekly losses.


Again, it's really a matter of picking an unpopulated system and playing it smart. Always keep local open and a killboard site bookmarked so you can do a background check on anyone who enters. If someone relatively unthreatening enters, still keep an eye on d-scan and be ready to jump. Some people might suggest you always be aligned when someone else is in system. If someone with a very low security rating comes into the system, then dock up immediately and wait it out. It helps to create a bookmark at the station's undock, because the "Warp to 0" option doesn't always take you to 0 and can leave you vulnerable.

It is very difficult to do anything solo. You could try joining a sovereign nullsec entity that has active miners. That is the fastest way to get started.

If you are hacking it out in lowsec or npc null, you still need to get to know your neighbors. Will they accept alliances or bribes? Is mutual support or an understanding of non-aggression possible? You can't stay neutral. If you look to one group for protection, can you afford making their enemies your enemies? Once you get out of the bubble that is highsec, the political consequences of your actions are more immediate.

You could try to live solo for a while. And while you are unaffiliated, you can try to get to know your space and its residents. You could also try joining corps once you've observed them from the outside. Local chat is a great way to make friends and frenemies.

I strongly suggest against bringing big ships through potentially hostile stargates. Every organised entity in the game will use jump freighters or carriers to mitigate most of the risk. Death on a gate is a certainty, unless you're in something that can deal with it.

You bring up an interesting point that as a new player is starting to creep into view as something I need to tackle. Can or should I remain solo and completely neutral or should I go the guild route? Further how big of a guild if I go that route? Its not an easy set of questions to answer and in my mind begs a few other things be answered first. One of the simplest questions is of what worth is a guild in this game? How can a player organization enhance my spaceship funtime? Can they enhance my spaceship funtime at all? I must say I am having a blast as it is. At the moment I can't see adding a player organization with its rules, goals which might not align with my own, politics, and drama soup adding to or improving my spaceship funtime.

This is obviously at best a tangential line for this thread to go in, but since it was suggested as a potential path to low security spaces and thus mining within them. Is it really that hard to remain true neutral? The wars fought by rival guilds living too close together really don't concern me do they? Sure I need to make sure I don't catch a stray bullet here and there, but ultimately it sounds like an excellent distraction for others while I collect a living quietly in the background.

Hey I have been trying to figure out a way to team up with someone like you to not just mine out there but run sites, salvage, rat, etc. I am convinced that to safely do something like mine out there you need at least 2. One to mine and the other to spot, kill rats, other players, etc. The only problem with this and mining is that it may be less profitable then mining in high. That is when you consider how we split the profits. Although it would be allot of fun. I can now mine clear icicle in a .5 at the rate of 14 mill and hour or 18 mil and hour with someones Orca boost. This however is incredibly boring! I think that with all the logistics of Null or Low and especially teaming up with someone else even though the Ore or Ice may be worth more we would not make as much as in High Sec. But after all the whole point of Eve is fun right. On the flip side however high profits are necessary to replace exploded ships.

There has to be a way. Perhaps mining Mercoxit or finding the most valuable ice. Then how to get it to a trade hub. As we say in the vernacular "Tiss a logistical nightmare". But it is worth looking in to.

I think ratting along with salvaging the ships and running sites may most likely be more profitable than mining. But there is still the issue of getting the product to Empire.

A good combat scout can pinpoint anything that is not cloaked within seconds. You will catch bullets.

You are asking the right questions. It is not easy to find a group you can work with. Your experience in each corp will vary greatly. I live in a mega coalition, but each alliance in the coalition is different, and each squad in the coalition has its own subcultures and objectives. Although there are 20 thousand characters here, one can still compartmentalize and do what one likes.