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Ore is being harvested 50% faster than tears

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-05-07 10:46:29 UTC
pvp doesn't have automation software

wait till the weekend
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-05-07 10:58:56 UTC
you only get a sense of accomplishment by completing a challenge. mining is more like 'let's see how many stamps you can lick in a day, then try to break that record'

mining needs a complete overhaul to be less terrible and more interesting than it is. a mechanic that rewards thinking, diligence and teamwork instead of going to make toast. i'm convinced mining and missions are responsible for pushing so many newbies away from eve they are so boring

the best part of the mining overhaul, when it comes, will be the rage threads of 'i own 50 isboxer accounts and YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME'
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#23 - 2014-05-07 11:04:43 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
mining needs a complete overhaul to be less terrible and more interesting than it is. a mechanic that rewards thinking, diligence and teamwork instead of going to make toast. i'm convinced mining and missions are responsible for pushing so many newbies away from eve they are so boring

Absolutly true...

Benny Ohu wrote:
the best part of the mining overhaul, when it comes, will be the rage threads of 'i own 50 isboxer accounts and YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME'

Well, I hope the potential new players, changes like that would attract would counterbalance the multyboxers loosing their additional accounts.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#24 - 2014-05-07 11:06:49 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:

Well, I hope the potential new players, changes like that would attract would counterbalance the multyboxers loosing their additional accounts.


If they're ISBoxing mining, they aren't paying for their accounts anyway.

So the answer is 100% yes.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#25 - 2014-05-07 11:16:19 UTC
guess i'll get on my pvp alts tonight. having everyone set to blue doesnt seem to be helping out the slackers.
Madin Tyone
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-05-07 11:28:13 UTC
Perhaps the gankers should step up their efforts? I spent 3/4 of an hour the other night mining in a .3 system with my main and didn't see another soul.

And I'd spent all that ISK on some nice shiny combat drones as well...
Dave Stark
#27 - 2014-05-07 11:32:42 UTC
fun fact: 4 is closer to 15 than 30. \o/
also, for ore, it really is about 4. you know, that resource that's available pretty much all the time unlike ice.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#28 - 2014-05-07 11:33:40 UTC
Yay so you're actually playing the game once every 15 minutes instead of half an hour.

Changes everything, now it's a shining example of engaging gameplay.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dave Stark
#29 - 2014-05-07 11:36:13 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yay so you're actually playing the game once every 15 minutes instead of half an hour.

Changes everything, now it's a shining example of engaging gameplay.


actually, i'm playing it the whole time. input is just required every 15 mins if i have perfect conditions.

by this logic, you must really hate PI since i only have to actually be playing the game once every 2 weeks.

also we've been through you're deeply flawed assumption of perfect conditions. missions require me to hit f1 more frequently but are as equally unengaging because there's nothing interesting about repeatedly pressing f1, regardless of the frequency.

pretending miners are somehow worse is laughable, especially when you've demonstrated you haven't got a clue.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#30 - 2014-05-07 11:40:29 UTC
So, I realized that I judged the time based on my own skills, to fly a bait Procurer. I hadn't realized that anyone could actually train up all those ice mining skills without going insane from boredom.

I don't particularly have an issue with PI. Or with research, or any of that other stuff. Mostly because they aren't in open space while they do it. And also because people who do those things tend not to ***** and moan about how they should be safe in open space.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dave Stark
#31 - 2014-05-07 11:44:06 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So, I realized that I judged the time based on my own skills, to fly a bait Procurer. I hadn't realized that anyone could actually train up all those ice mining skills without going insane from boredom.

I don't particularly have an issue with PI. Or with research, or any of that other stuff. Mostly because they aren't in open space while they do it. And also because people who do those things tend not to ***** and moan about how they should be safe in open space.


so not interacting with the game is fine, you were just arguing that was the issue because you were parroting some one else's incorrect propaganda than using your own brain?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#32 - 2014-05-07 11:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Dave Stark wrote:

so not interacting with the game is fine, you were just arguing that was the issue because you were parroting some one else's incorrect propaganda than using your own brain?


Not particularly. I was killing miners before it was cool. Yes, ganker hipster is a thing.

And as to the PI question..

Not interacting with the game while not being logged in, in open space is fine. You can do whatever you want while you're docked up, no one cares. Trade, make contracts, talk in local, write Fedo poetry, it doesn't matter.

When a PI guy goes to a poco to get his haul, and takes it back to a station, he is playing the game. Unless he's autopiloting.

But not playing the game while logged in, in open space, and making money? That is not fine. It's actually far worse than mission running, despite how very bad that activity is for being engaging gameplay.

A miner doesn't even shoot anything, they just sit there. Like scenery.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dave Stark
#33 - 2014-05-07 11:56:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
But not playing the game while logged in, in open space, and making money? That is not fine. It's actually far worse than mission running, despite how very bad that activity is for being engaging gameplay.

A miner doesn't even shoot anything, they just sit there. Like scenery.


if the lasers are on, the miner is playing the game.
if the lasers are off, he isn't making money.

also fun fact; afking in an ishtar makes MORE money for LESS interaction. yet you don't go around ganking them now do you? (or you might, i don't know, but you sure don't whine about it as much that's for sure)

i'll be honest, i don't really care if you gank miners or not. if you enjoy ganking miners; power to you, do it all day long. what irked me and caused me to respond is the pathetic justification [if you enjoy it, just say it, be proud of it] and the outright lies.

just stop pretending that it's some kind of issue to "justify" what you're doing. like i said earlier, it's not eve, you don't need some kind of pretend pretext.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#34 - 2014-05-07 12:01:31 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:


also fun fact; afking in an ishtar makes MORE money for LESS interaction. yet you don't go around ganking them now do you? (or you might, i don't know, but you sure don't whine about it as much that's for sure)


Of course I try to kill them. Noticeable difference though, way more of them try to get away because they're actually at their keyboards. Bagged two Oracles in short succession with my SB character last week, though. Renters, yeesh.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Oxylan
Blood Fanatics
#35 - 2014-05-07 12:01:33 UTC
Come on why so much drama because people kill slow and other mining faster, two diffirent things.

Realy these rumor and sacrifice because of one extra drone...

If it bleed we can kill it.
Dave Stark
#36 - 2014-05-07 12:03:24 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


also fun fact; afking in an ishtar makes MORE money for LESS interaction. yet you don't go around ganking them now do you? (or you might, i don't know, but you sure don't whine about it as much that's for sure)


Of course I try to kill them. Noticeable difference though, way more of them try to get away because they're actually at their keyboards. Bagged two Oracles in short succession with my SB character last week, though. Renters, yeesh.


no, it's easier for them to get away because it's far easier to identify hostiles outside of high sec.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#37 - 2014-05-07 12:06:30 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


also fun fact; afking in an ishtar makes MORE money for LESS interaction. yet you don't go around ganking them now do you? (or you might, i don't know, but you sure don't whine about it as much that's for sure)


Of course I try to kill them. Noticeable difference though, way more of them try to get away because they're actually at their keyboards. Bagged two Oracles in short succession with my SB character last week, though. Renters, yeesh.


no, it's easier for them to get away because it's far easier to identify hostiles outside of high sec.


Not in Provi, no.

And besides it's not hard to indentify hostiles in highsec. It's just that no one aligns when 8 neg tens jump into local. So either they think they are secure in "high security space" or they just aren't at their keyboards to notice.

Both warrant their destruction.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
stoicfaux
#38 - 2014-05-07 12:07:32 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
It's "ISK Destroyed" which could mean ammo use by mission runners, items used in manufacturing, losses to CONCORD, PI items being "destroyed" as they're converted into the next tier, etc. If so, then the PVP folks are really, really, really, really, a trivial part of the economy.

edit: Or it could be isk actually destroyed via isk sinks such as market taxes, etc..

Or CCP really needs to be a bit more descriptive about what metrics they're tracking.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Dave Stark
#39 - 2014-05-07 12:12:22 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Both warrant their destruction.


and power to you. just stop pretending it's for some greater good rather than the fact that you find it hilarious and entertaining. :P
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#40 - 2014-05-07 12:15:58 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Both warrant their destruction.


and power to you. just stop pretending it's for some greater good rather than the fact that you find it hilarious and entertaining. :P


Of course it's hilarious and entertaining.

It just so happens that it is for a greater good.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.