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Cloaky Camper Cure?

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Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#61 - 2014-05-07 04:34:48 UTC
Guys, there is already a perfect counter to the AFK Cloaker problem....

Just put another AFK Cloaker in the same system, and they cancel each other out....

It's like... Positive and negative electrons.... Or something....

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2014-05-07 04:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: NEONOVUS
Loki Lokium wrote:
How about we get an actual discussion going on the merits for and against limitations of the Cloaking device instead of abuse and spam? or is that too hard for some?

The topic spooked the ISD into docking up and not locking the thread
But really what is there to discuss?
Either we add a cloaking control or we dont and the current issue is that we have no good arguments either way
Thus there is no reason to change

Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Guys, there is already a perfect counter to the AFK Cloaker problem....

Just put another AFK Cloaker in the same system, and they cancel each other out....

It's like... Positive and negative electrons.... Or something....

You realize your statement means a release of hard gamma and neutrinos right?
As in a rather nice explosion in most environs
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#63 - 2014-05-07 05:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Bohneik Itohn
NEONOVUS wrote:

You realize your statement means a release of hard gamma and neutrinos right?
As in a rather nice explosion in most environs


But first you've got to get them to come into contact with each other. Being two forces that are mutually repellant they would, under normal circumstances, just drift aimlessly through space at a safe distance from each other, leading to a perpetual status quo until outside forces intervene, such as:

A: something that attracts one AFK Cloaker pulls it within a dangerous proximity of the other AFK Cloaker.

B: Something with an even stronger repelling force pushes one AFK cloaker within dangerous proximity of the other AFK Cloaker.

C: Some other scenario, I don't care this thread is supposed to be locked.

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Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2014-05-07 05:23:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Gigan Amilupar
Just today I was thinking to myself "Huh, haven't had an AFK cloak thread in awhile". Funny how that works. So anyways OP, this.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-05-07 05:36:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
Trisha Landers wrote:
Instead of stopping people from sitting in a system cloaked, would it be beneficial to change how cloaked characters are displayed in local?

And here's the wonderful flip side of this inane discussion. No, you as the cloaked ship get to bear the risk of being in Local. Now deal with the consequences of being in a system just like everyone else has to.

If you prefer being invisible in Local then it comes with the risk that everybody else has that advantage too (wormholes).

Edit: Anyone who feels like complaining about afk cloaking go read the linked post below. It is the best post on this forum about what tools you are given in EVE to deal with it. It hasn't been stressed enough:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3750695#post3750695

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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#66 - 2014-05-07 08:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
Not supported.

You want to live and get rich in Null. Did you expect it to be a risk free venture?

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-05-07 08:52:34 UTC
Read my signature and be enlightened.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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Cardano Firesnake
Fire Bullet Inc
#68 - 2014-05-07 09:17:01 UTC
If AFK cloaky cannot hurt you, it is true that you do not know if they are AFK.

If you are cautious you will have to move away.

It is the only effective counter measure against a cloaker. AFK or not...

Well If the AFK cloakers are 5 and camp nearly all the constellation it is not very funny.

There was a time when I wanted CCP do something for that. But well i am a Goon I have plenty of systems to farm.... This is our counter measure .

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-05-07 10:33:16 UTC
'that decloaks cloakers after some long period'

- Sure. I think we'd be happy even with something that turns them into a cosmic signature, that you could probe down, and warp to, to decloak them.

'that warp scrambles, webs, and prevents them from logging off'

-GTFO.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-05-07 10:52:45 UTC
If you aren't prepared (eager, even!) to deal with anything that you can reasonably expect to pop out of that covert cyno (that may or may not go up, btw), you should go back to highsec.

To be clear, 'deal with' = fight or evade or lose a relatively inexpensive ship. You know, EVE basics.

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Kate Blaze
True Power Capsuleers
#71 - 2014-05-07 11:07:08 UTC
I thought people go to null to be cool, to stop being carebears. OP proves me wrong.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2014-05-07 11:12:50 UTC
*Obligatory 'use the Search tool'*


And No.


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The NPE IS a big deal
Shurgin Ambraelle
Vagrants Against Gankers In Null Alliances
#73 - 2014-05-07 11:22:28 UTC
Loki Lokium wrote:
How about we get an actual discussion going on the merits for and against limitations of the Cloaking device instead of abuse and spam? or is that too hard for some?


Hey I tried to bring in a nice idea but stupidity hot dropped me. Sorry mate they went into seige on this one.

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Shurgin Ambraelle
Vagrants Against Gankers In Null Alliances
#74 - 2014-05-07 11:25:53 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:
All very good points (no pun) so here is my take. What about a sonar ping like technology on a prober. You have to have mad skills for it and it can only be used once in a certain like (ie doomsday, ECM burst) and when you ping them it renders their cloak O.O.S. for a certain duration and/or damaged that can be repaired by Nanopaste. Then you probe out the cloaker and if he/she is afk... pop. It prevents the cloaky camper from just sitting around. Or make the module to ping them come from a POS.

Just an idea. Anchoring 5 and Scanning 5 needed? Go ahead let me have it.


Just switching it off would b eenough.

However seeming as the only argument against AFK cloaking is it makes renters nervous ... I see no real reason to change it at all.


I agree switching it off is probably enough. Make the module on a POS that has to be anchored.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2014-05-07 12:51:58 UTC
Major Lunartik wrote:
CCP need to put a timer on cloaky campers, and once timer runs out, some sort of sovereignty device can decloak and even web and scram them so sov renters/owners can pop their unsporting ass.
I thought of this as we have a cloaky in our system, and knowing how CCP pride themselves on how Eve has no real game rules, and 'Hot-droppers' will suffer if any other method was implemented, so a timer on some sort of modual/sov-modual with a set timer of say, 3hrs?, (allows hot-drops, makes it interesting), and after the timer is triggered, the offender cant log off let alone do anything else, so SOV owners/renters can blow up offender and pod for good measure.

Take this a step further and put a modual on gates so once a camper has been 'busted' the gate wont allow them in or at least penalize the known camper by killing the cloaking device!.

Currently there seems to be no cure for the cloaky campers, and pilots go play other games while being camped, CCP this does mean your subscribers may find a different game to enjoy and discontinue with Eveonline.

Ditch the rules, create counter measures.

o7



I sometimes cloaky camp the sov holders in geminate and they respond by staying docked, logging out or moving elsewhere.
Recently one of the had the brainwave of cloaky camping our npc null system. We responded by ignoring him completely and running sigs, PI, anoms etc entirely as normal.
The moral here is that it isn't an afk player that is the problem but the reaction from people that want the rewards of null with non of the risks.
The CCP in house band wrote a song just for you personally OP.
HTFU.
Much love.
PS do you rent in vale of the silent by any chance?
If so which system is this devious man who can stop you playing while he is asleep/ at work etc?

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suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#76 - 2014-05-07 14:26:08 UTC
I heard that if you biomass the cloaky camper problem instantly goes away

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#77 - 2014-05-07 14:56:04 UTC
No.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#78 - 2014-05-07 15:09:39 UTC
My standard response:

Cloaking is fine. Nerf Cynos.

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#79 - 2014-05-07 15:12:11 UTC
I decided that because of this thread I am going to camp one more of your systems.
Stop being such sissies and come out to fight if you want us to stop camping you.

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Kelaian Stareine
Regime Change Artists
#80 - 2014-05-07 15:14:30 UTC
You know, I like the work pasta is doing down in Delve. After I saw this thread I think I might want to join in.