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Melchiades Seti
Interstellar Red Shirts
#1 - 2011-12-02 17:42:43 UTC
I have been researching the Caldari Fuel BPO and stopping it at steps trying to find perfect ME. So far all the improvements have been in teh ice products and O2. My findings are at ME8 and ME20. (The first number is at ME0, then ME8, third at 20.)

Heavy Water - 158, 151, 150
Liquid Ozone - 158, 151, 150
N2 Isotopes - 420, 402, 401
Oxygen - 21, 20, 20

I am researching now up to 30 next to try to find max ME. I'm posting to help others, but also hoping someone is farther along than I am and can help. Also, Has anyone done any PE research on this?

Thanks.
Laveaolous
Paragon Fury
#2 - 2011-12-02 18:15:09 UTC
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#3 - 2011-12-02 18:21:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
TL;DR summary of the above-linked thread

ME:40 for perfect
ME:15 for only 1 isotope waste

P.S. There's no such thing as "perfect PE". For *any* blueprint. Research as much PE as you feel comfortable spending time with.
Even if the displayed time per run does not go down, it is taken into account with many undisplayed decimals if you decide to stick it in a larger batch run.

I wouldn't really bother with more than PE:20 though (~1.19% time over PE:999999), and even PE:10 is quite sufficient (~2.27% time over PE:999999).

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Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#4 - 2011-12-02 18:23:50 UTC
Melchiades Seti
Interstellar Red Shirts
#5 - 2011-12-02 18:28:32 UTC
Sweet! Thanks!
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#6 - 2011-12-02 18:53:09 UTC
I have been targeting ME 40, but was not sure since the base waste was 5% instead of 10%...just to mess with my head, I guess (or at least my spreadsheets).
grazer gin
Raving Rednecks
#7 - 2011-12-02 21:15:50 UTC  |  Edited by: grazer gin
But is that one iso worth paying for 25 more ME runs i really hope it isnt otherwise people will never learn and 35000 ME hobgoblin BPCs will still be knocking round jita
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#8 - 2011-12-02 21:31:27 UTC
1 unit of isotopes will range from 450isk to 1500isk for a difference of 11.25 isk to 37.5 isk per fuel block. If you're producing for yourself then that is a difference of 112.5isk per hour to 1500isk per hour depending on size/type of tower used.

How much were you paying for your ME slots? Let's assume you got access to a nice friendly research corp/alliance that charges 2.5k per hour with no install cost. Going from 15 to 40 will take approx 47 hours. Let's play safe and call it 2 days. That's 120k isk.

So, depending on size and type of tower it will take between 80 and 1,067 hours to recoup the research investment. Or to put it another way, 3d8h and 44d11h

Not exactly a long time. That's assuming you only run a single POS and you only produce enough fuel for your own use.


For reference: Worst case is a small Amarr/Minmatar tower, best case is a large Gallente tower.

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Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#9 - 2011-12-02 21:33:33 UTC
grazer gin wrote:
But is that one iso worth paying for 25 more ME runs i really hope it isnt otherwise people will never learn and 35000 ME hobgoblin BPCs will still be knocking round jita


If you're researching in your own pos, then yes that extra 25 more ME is worth it, since it takes such a short time extra, and unless you run your pos so busy it's always got stuff running then this little extra time is essentially free.

Take a Dread Guristas Medium, 16 Blocks per hour, 384 per day, 140,160 per year, so that's 3,504 runs per year,

So 3504 x 1 unit of iso's even at a low estimate of 400 isk per unit is still a saving of just over 1.4 million isk, so ask yourself again, is that little extra initial isk spent researching from 15 to 40 worth it, Hell yeah Cool
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#10 - 2011-12-02 22:27:47 UTC
grazer gin wrote:
But is that one iso worth paying for 25 more ME runs i really hope it isnt otherwise people will never learn and 35000 ME hobgoblin BPCs will still be knocking round jita


Well, assuming that Isotopes stay at 500 ISK/u and it takes 1.875 hours per ME level, it takes 47 hours to go that extra 25 ME. Assuming a current lab fee of 9000 ISK/hr.

9000 * 47 = 423k ISK
So the break-even is after you make your 846th batch. Those 846 batches produce about 1.2 months of fuel for a large tower.

If you're running a POS tower, you probably won't sneeze at an extra 423k ISK of research time. And the payoff for going perfect ME is pretty quick since you'll be making months and months of fuel.

Without that perfect ME, and assuming that fuel blocks end up costing around 15k ISK/u. Your waste would be 500/(15000*40) or 0.06% of the ISK value.