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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#21 - 2014-05-06 19:08:24 UTC
I love to see how the farmers step up to this change. It will only escalte things. No more log off traps? No problem! How about good old fashion evictions instead?

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Winthorp
#22 - 2014-05-06 19:22:45 UTC
G0hme wrote:
So smug :D

Fully support this change. People should get off their asses and do some old fashion Hunting!


Says the guy that has left WH space to go to nullsec with its abundance of AFK intel, please tell us how we should work harder for pvp wise one. Roll
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#23 - 2014-05-06 19:25:12 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
I love to see how the farmers step up to this change. It will only escalte things. No more log off traps? No problem! How about good old fashion evictions instead?


Doesn't matter. How are you going to evict somebody that lives out of a small pos with nothing that can't be fit in a carrier and logged off with the rest of his caps?
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-05-06 19:28:25 UTC
So no logoff traps unless you have been watching them at least a week, no catching people in a sites thanks to the immidiate sig spawn so what is left of targets?
Rolling is out since 99% warps to safety when they see a new sig.
Catching people has become a lot less likely.
Wormhole space is becoming more safe then high sec if this continues.... .
The only thing left to do is evictions... .
And poshbashing is soooo much fun... .

No local in null sec would fix everything!

Bob Artis
Rolled Out
#25 - 2014-05-06 19:44:54 UTC
Honestly I'm not too mad about this. As long as we can map out our wormholes I don't mind loosing some extra benefits like kill data.

Still I wish CCP would be a bit more descriptive with how they want wormholes to function. First they suggest a five min delay on incoming sigs, which would be a nightmare to anyone doing PvE, then they remove this? I can't tell how difficult they want wormhole isking to be.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#26 - 2014-05-06 20:17:51 UTC
What? Are you asking them to make sense????, are you mad, Bob??

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Duke Wendo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-05-06 20:27:44 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
I fully support removing it.
Who gives a crap? the info is an hour old anyway, it's functionally useless. it doesnt help you catch people, it just tells you that you missed the people that were in a system an hour ago.
if you want to scout someone, use your eyes.



Almost spot on. It helps those that are building intel on a particular hole in order to pull off a PvE fleet kill.

I hope they do remove it- it's free intel and there should never be free intel in this game.
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#28 - 2014-05-06 21:40:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Galen Darksmith
Jack Miton wrote:
I fully support removing it.
Who gives a crap? the info is an hour old anyway, it's functionally useless. it doesnt help you catch people, it just tells you that you missed the people that were in a system an hour ago.
if you want to scout someone, use your eyes.


I like the cut of your jib and would like to subscribe to any periodicals that you produce.

Andrew Jester wrote:
If they removed it but sigs update only with probes it'd be nice. As it stands, just a buff to farming


While Jack covered why I don't think it's really all that much of a farmer buff, I'd agree that I'd like to see sigs going back to their old behavior.

Basically, I'm fairly neutral on this change, but I'd like to make sure we're going in the right direction in WH space: Active effort to aquire intel.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler

Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-05-06 22:12:06 UTC
unimatrix0030 wrote:
So no logoff traps unless you have been watching them at least a week, no catching people in a sites thanks to the immidiate sig spawn so what is left of targets?
Rolling is out since 99% warps to safety when they see a new sig.
Catching people has become a lot less likely.
Wormhole space is becoming more safe then high sec if this continues.... .
The only thing left to do is evictions... .
And poshbashing is soooo much fun... .


WTF are you doing in w-space? Go back to k-space if you want free intel.
It doesn't make logoff traps impossible - you just have to put a little bit more effort into it instead of having some magical fluffy fluffy fairy tell you when and where to get an easy free kill.
Nutmegpainter
Whale Girth
Touched by the Tism
#30 - 2014-05-06 22:39:20 UTC
with this change i will also become near untouchable when farming late US Tz.....

You guys all better farm your ribbons before the price drops even further (wait for CCP nerf Blue loot)

Sure you could find more people when rage rolling c5s but lets all be honest on how many c5's a wh corp rolls a day.. (prob under 10-15)

so thats what ? 3% ? (drunk math) chance within those wormholes to find somebody running sites.?

countless times have i opened my mapping program, saw the residents get active in X amount of hours (or havent been active in months) and know thats when we could or could not potentially create content.

Now i will be stuck digging even deeper in wormholes to find targets.. or be stuck burning wormholes to the ground to find targets

Maybe removing NPC activity wont be that bad, or maybe it will, but CCCP will do what they want in the end regardless ( DUST, INCARNA )



:end thought:



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Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#31 - 2014-05-06 22:42:22 UTC
Yay! By the time this goes live; I'll be ready for cap escalations.
Nutmegpainter
Whale Girth
Touched by the Tism
#32 - 2014-05-06 22:51:21 UTC
Im not sure how many people have participated in Logoffs but i can personally tell you that they are some of the funnest things i have ever done in Eve.


Its like hunting in Real life, you find out where your target lives and what times they come out to feed


The adren and blood starts to pump as you watch their caps log in and rolls holes, thinking their safe the entire time. unknowingly being stalked


The only real group who took advantage of the data (according to KBs) was BLOOD UNION who probably kill more isk wise than any corp in eve.

(Is this a bad thing?)

yes its a HUGE advantage in helping catch PVErs your stupid if you think its not but removing this feature would only make W space more secure when combined with the automatic SIG update, goodluck catching any MORE ratters nowadays..

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-05-06 23:05:57 UTC
Nutmegpainter wrote:
Im not sure how many people have participated in Logoffs but i can personally tell you that they are some of the funnest things i have ever done in Eve.

call me crazy but I actually prefer challenging kills.

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G0hme
Illusion of Flight
#34 - 2014-05-06 23:21:04 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Says the guy that has left WH space to go to nullsec with its abundance of AFK intel, please tell us how we should work harder for pvp wise one. Roll


Yes, thats why I left Wspace. For the AFK intel. These days I spend almost every living hour looking at NPC Kill stats and nothing else, because I simply cannot kill those pesky NS farmers without it. Oh my I simply don't know what I would do without them. Local updates even faster than the Overlay scanner, so I couldn't possibly hope to kill anything at all!

Yes this must be it. WHY CCP. WHHYYYYYY. Why do you force me to play the game. Why do you force me to encourage people to be active in order to hunt people with my own eyes. This is an injustice! Please, any moron can see why having the data available in Kspace is justified.

Please.... Grow a set of balls and learn to embrace change. Its not scary at all.

Btw did i mention Local updates quicker than the overlay scanner? I've seen it, its not a myth! Promise!
Also I might have had a hand in this change :D You are welcome.

But come on, you can do better than "Well you are in Kspace kk" Hardly original.



Shook Eelm's hand at Fanfest 2012

Shook CCP Soundwave's hand at Fanfest 2013

Got NPC API removed from Wormhole Space.

Nutmegpainter
Whale Girth
Touched by the Tism
#35 - 2014-05-06 23:33:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nutmegpainter
Jack Miton wrote:
Nutmegpainter wrote:
Im not sure how many people have participated in Logoffs but i can personally tell you that they are some of the funnest things i have ever done in Eve.

call me crazy but I actually prefer challenging kills.



define a challenging kill? Log offs are in NO way perfect kills as the defenders are not helpless if you keep a cool head. ( ASK SSC the last logoff i did to them )


or maybe challenging kills are why ive gotten more kills in 1 month, than you have in 3 ?

regardless more people are gonna farm and even less will be caught StraightPirateUgh
Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#36 - 2014-05-06 23:42:43 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Says the guy that has left WH space to go to nullsec with its abundance of AFK intel, please tell us how we should work harder for pvp wise one. Roll


G0hme wrote:
Grow a set of balls


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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#37 - 2014-05-06 23:58:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
I love how the bears hide in the free intel speech to improve their isk heaven even further.
We are going to go from hunter paradise to squishy mushy bear paradise. So sad that there are no grays here.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Triksterism
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-05-07 00:19:25 UTC
Copy pasted my post from this topic here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342427

"I am dumbfounded by this whole topic. It seems to me that the majority of posters here are neglecting the primary reason people pvp in WH space. Its not because its made easy by 3rd party tools utilizing api data that is not available in game. It's the pure joy of the hunt. That moment when two WH entities just happen to come across each other, mount up their forces and meet in glorious battle on the field.

Personally this data will have no effect on the way I live and explore in WH space. And with what I see being posted here, I hope it does go away to make 'carebears' more comfortable coming into WH space giving rage rollers a higher chance at more targets.

It's a game. Adapt or quit, it's really that simple."



King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#39 - 2014-05-07 05:39:36 UTC
How sad have wormholes become when the "only way to get content" is to rely on 100% meta-game tactics that are dependent on 3rd party tools. And by content these people mean ganking PVErs.

Alundil
Rolled Out
#40 - 2014-05-07 06:27:48 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:
How sad have wormholes become when the "only way to get content" is to rely on 100% meta-game tactics that are dependent on 3rd party tools. And by content these people mean ganking PVErs.



Stop it - your hyperbole is showing. 100% pfft You're purposely misrepresenting most (almost all?) of the salient points of the discussion. It's shockingly bad form of you. Though I guess you're allowed to play the "forum-meta" yes?

Officer Spawn Troll perhaps?

I'm right behind you