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Verone
Veto Corp
#21 - 2011-09-09 22:50:16 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Verone wrote:
Stuff



I am curious why you went with a h70 instead of a proper full loop, cooling those 580s as well considering the amount of cash that you have thrown into that build and since you obviously overclock.


The 580s were a later edition, only about a month or so ago, the rig was built in February.

I'm considering it to be honest, but at the same time they run great on air, and the H70 does an awesome job.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#22 - 2011-09-09 23:04:05 UTC
I assume you use windows and not linux?

ifso;
What version of windows will you be putting on the machine and how much is in the budget for the OS?

And do you use CQ?

And do you OC?

If you OC I wont answer TBH, if you answer the other stuff I can help considerably.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#23 - 2011-09-09 23:44:38 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Denidil wrote:

i don't really care about boot time. boot time isn't a big deal. especially when i typically hibernate my system instead of powering off.

so instead just the SSD for game storage.


Wait, you don't care about boot time, but you care about that your games load faster that you would want them on a SSD?


because SSDs affect texture load times, so they affect how quick you can load everyone on grid.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#24 - 2011-09-10 01:47:43 UTC
Thx all.


I am hearing good things about This Website and may ultimately turn here for items and further advice. Supposedly they have great customer service which is more then can be said for Alienware.

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#25 - 2011-09-10 01:53:09 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Thx all.


I am hearing good things about This Website and may ultimately turn here for items and further advice. Supposedly they have great customer service which is more then can be said for Alienware.


alienware is ****. and overpriced.



http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer_Mage_D285

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-09-10 04:41:18 UTC
Aw, when I glanced at this thread title, I thought you were building some sort of arcade machine to play EvE on. I am disappoint.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2011-09-10 07:01:28 UTC
Verone wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Verone wrote:
Stuff



I am curious why you went with a h70 instead of a proper full loop, cooling those 580s as well considering the amount of cash that you have thrown into that build and since you obviously overclock.


The 580s were a later edition, only about a month or so ago, the rig was built in February.

I'm considering it to be honest, but at the same time they run great on air, and the H70 does an awesome job.



Aha. And I think you should because the longer you delay, the more :effort: you will be because it IS a hassle as you have to tear out everything to put in heatsinks (CPU and chipset cooling) and hopefully your 580s come with a reference cooler than something like Asus or Gigabytes.

Denidil wrote:
Alpheias wrote:


Wait, you don't care about boot time, but you care about that your games load faster that you would want them on a SSD?


because SSDs affect texture load times, so they affect how quick you can load everyone on grid.


Sure. My EVE client start faster as I have it on a SSD along Windows, but I keep my Steam install on a different drive. Reason why should be obvious.

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HaxTis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-09-10 07:58:34 UTC
i loled at this thread. let me say it this way i spent 700 on a brand new vaio. it runs 3 clients full graphics no issues. so go ahead and spend all that money on way more then you need. makes lots of sense, but no one said ever players were smart
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#29 - 2011-09-10 11:21:31 UTC
HaxTis wrote:
i loled at this thread. let me say it this way i spent 700 on a brand new vaio. it runs 3 clients full graphics no issues. so go ahead and spend all that money on way more then you need. makes lots of sense, but no one said ever players were smart



Well thank you for your intelligent and well thought out input, now make sure that you follow the instructions for the medication that your taking. Many medications will do more harm then good if you take to high of a does, or, you come off of them to quickly.

Better to wean yourself off of them over a long period of time then risk the potentially catastrophic side effects.

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Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#30 - 2011-09-10 11:52:25 UTC
HaxTis wrote:
i loled at this thread. let me say it this way i spent 700 on a brand new vaio. it runs 3 clients full graphics no issues. so go ahead and spend all that money on way more then you need. makes lots of sense, but no one said ever players were smart


My 3 year old rig still handles 2 accts. quite well when running missions or ratting.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-09-11 02:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
I really want to thank Denidil for simplifying my life Big smile
Total cost for this was $1,200 shipping included.

It will end up being the most powerful computer that I have ever owned, and it is upgradable. Thx!


Quote:
1 x Case (NZXT Guardian 921 RB Gaming Case - Black w/ Blue Light))
1 x Case Lighting (Cold Cathode Neon Light - Blue))
1 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction (None))
1 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion (None))
1 x Processor ([= Six Core =] AMD Phenom™ II X6 1090T Black Edition Six-Core CPU - Free Upgrade to Phenom II x6 1100T CPU))
1 x Processor Cooling (Liquid CPU Cooling System [AMD] - [Free Upgrade] Standard 120mm Fan))
1 x Memory (8 GB [2 GB X4] DDR3-1333 Memory Module - ** FREE Upgrade to DDR3-1600 ** Corsair or Major Brand))
1 x Video Card (AMD Radeon HD 6950 - 2GB - Single Card))
1 x Video Card Brand (Major Brand Powered by AMD or NVIDIA))
1 x Motherboard ([CrossFire] ASUS M5A97 -- AMD 970 w/ 2x PCI-E 2.0 x16))
1 x Motherboard USB / SATA Interface (Motherboard default USB / SATA Interface))
1 x Power Supply (700 Watt -- Standard))
1 x Primary Hard Drive (1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive))
1 x Data Hard Drive (None))
1 x Optical Drive (24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black))
1 x 2nd Optical Drive (None))
1 x Flash Media Reader / Writer (None))
1 x Meter Display (None))
1 x USB Expansion (None))
1 x Sound Card (3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard))
1 x Network Card (Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)))
1 x Operating System (Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) - 64-Bit))
1 x Keyboard (iBUYPOWER USB Keyboard))
1 x Mouse (iBUYPOWER Internet Mouse))
1 x Monitor (None))
1 x 2nd Monitor (None))
1 x Speaker System (iBUYPOWER 2.1 Channel Stereo Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System))
1 x Headset (None))
1 x Video Camera (None))
1 x Case Engraving Service (None))
1 x Warranty (Standard Warranty Service - Standard 3-Year Limited Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support))
1 x Rush Service (Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee) - No Rush Service, Estimate Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days))

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Kikusama
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2011-09-11 12:13:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kikusama
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
The last time I built a computer I was in high school and the high end processors ran at a whopping 733 Mhz Big smile So allot has changed...

I was going to buy a new one because I want to run two screens at maximum graphics settings, but it has occurred to me that I might want to build one instead. Whether or not I will do this depends on my effort Vs. reward (in true EVE fashion Big smile) what I get out of it and how much money I save.


So...
In this thread build your dream machine so I can pirate your Computer building skills.
Your max budget cannot exceed $1,500
The minimum requirements 1. Dual monitors with max graphical settings and 2. non-laggy Incarna




Also...

Are any components that you are using giving you issues when running EVE?
Does alienware's costumer service really suck?




ATM... I am pondering This Thread by Akita T and thinking about doing something like this. What do you all think about the set up recommended as her/his Gaming High-end Machine?



Quote:
320$(280$ with mail-in temp rebate) MSI GeForce GTX 570 1280MB ***
220$ Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz
130$ GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 Z68 (PCI-E x16,x8,x4)
125$ G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600, 7-8-7-24 timings, 1.6V ***
140$ 300GB WD VelociRaptor 10000RPM, 16MB Cache
75$ 2TB WD Caviar Green, 64MB Cache
120$RAIDMAX 850W SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Active PFC PSU, 2x34A (dual 12V rails)
75$ XCLIO ATX Full Tower (250mm + 360mm + several smaller fans)
20$ DVD writer
= 1225 USD (or 1185 USD after rebate)

***-marked components can be doubled -> 1630 USD (1590 USD after rebates) total price with 2x GTX 570 in SLI and 4x4=16 GB RAM.



I don't know about the prices in the US, but a few guidelines from a quite experienced (I`d like to think) computer builder (hobby only):
- if you get an Intel, get one with a "K" at the end (e.g. 2500K), because they're the only ones that are able to be overclocked;
- get 8GB of RAM in two sticks of 4GB each. You'll be left with 2 more slots to stick another 2 sticks of 4 if you wish for that later;
- carefully consider the SSD VS HDD dillema. Two 1TB Western Digital Caviar Black in RAID 0 offer 2TB of space with a comparable copy speed to that of a single SSD, and they're cheaper and offer 10 times the space. Personally, I don't see any differences on how the game acts whether it's running off an SSD or the HDD RAID. Loading times might be shorter. Might.
- I would absolutely pass on the watercooling thingie; it's hard - maintenance-wise and it's noisy and if the pump fails the whole thing falls to bits;
- AMD is a lot less powerful than the Intel at the moment (until Bulldozer comes, they say), but the prices are also much lower. Also to be served with assorted 4GB sticks.
- get a branded power supply (PSU). Antec., OCZ, Seasonic, etc. They are pricey but they are worth their money. They are the backbone of your system, first line of defense should an overload hits the lines in your area; my PSU saved my PC several times, once with the price of its life, still it was a lot less expensive than the whole computer.
- get an UPS (uninterruptible power supply); helps with protecting your PSU.
- get 2 identical monitors. I have at the moment a Dell and a Philips, same resolution, but the Dell is a liiiiiitle bigger. Quite annoying to be honest.
- get a dedicated sound card. Asus Xonar DX for example. Integrated sound in the motherboards is just crap.


Edit: facepalm, too late a reply. Grats on your system if you already ordered it Smile

Guns make the news. Science doesn't.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-09-11 12:21:24 UTC
PSU. You're going to need one.

Don't ban me, bro!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-09-11 14:31:49 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
PSU. You're going to need one.



1 x Power Supply (700 Watt -- Standard))

lrn 2 read.

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Kikusama
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2011-09-11 16:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kikusama
Usually a "standard" power supply can be a no-name meta 0 piece of sansha poo (think Delux, Rasurbo and other firestarters). That is what he meant Smile

Guns make the news. Science doesn't.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-09-11 17:43:41 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
PSU. You're going to need one.



1 x Power Supply (700 Watt -- Standard))

lrn 2 read.


I know you edited that in.

Don't ban me, bro!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#37 - 2011-09-11 17:50:41 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
PSU. You're going to need one.



1 x Power Supply (700 Watt -- Standard))

lrn 2 read.


I know you edited that in.



The funny thing is... No I didn't LOL
Again Lrn 2 read!

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-09-11 21:14:38 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
PSU. You're going to need one.



1 x Power Supply (700 Watt -- Standard))

lrn 2 read.


I know you edited that in.



The funny thing is... No I didn't LOL
Again Lrn 2 read!


Forum says you did.

Don't ban me, bro!
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#39 - 2011-09-11 23:17:38 UTC
Chester D Molester wrote:
Lots of Cooling. In fact your build should probably include a wind tunnel.


Seriously, I was wondering where the cooling was myself, I guess this is where those burnt up machines come from Oops

I bought an Alienware versus build, the case has built in wind tunnels, and is designed ground up for dual GPUs. 875 watt power supply and liquid cooling.

I hate hearing fans, over cooling is the way to go IMHO.
Alain Kinsella
#40 - 2011-09-12 01:33:35 UTC
Verone wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Verone wrote:
Stuff



I am curious why you went with a h70 instead of a proper full loop, cooling those 580s as well considering the amount of cash that you have thrown into that build and since you obviously overclock.


The 580s were a later edition, only about a month or so ago, the rig was built in February.

I'm considering it to be honest, but at the same time they run great on air, and the H70 does an awesome job.



From experience with my current Palit card (a 1 Gig 8800GT), anything above the 'normal' max memory for video card type will likely be non-reference, and will not work with water cooling blocks.

If the 580 has a reference card from nVidia with 3 Gig cache, then it would fit a normal water block. The 8800GT did not have a 1 Gig configuration so my card cannot watercool.

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