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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#221 - 2014-05-06 06:05:23 UTC
Throw money sir, not flowers.

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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#222 - 2014-05-06 06:24:28 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
WIS must come from a team with a sustainable future. The kickstarter idea, though interesting, would only create a situation like in EVE where a two day old rookie gets a billion ISK. You want WIS to come from a place of good ideas and a team that's able to justify its initial and continued existence.

Of course the problem with WIS is no one is able to answer WHY the feature would be essential to EVE (I know you'd have fun in it but that's not enough of a reason because it doesn't answer what WIS would contribute to the rest of the gameplay in EVE).


Lots of people are used to avatar-based play and movement in other MMOs and MMORPGs, and so they look at EVE, and note the complete absence of genuine avatar play, and they decide not to try it out.

I've been convinced all along that ambulation will open up EVE to a wider audience. Most of those won't stick around, of course, but recruiting another 150k long-term players, e.g., would be nice for CCP.
Naomi Hale
#223 - 2014-05-06 06:25:17 UTC
mkint wrote:
Luna Lockhearts wrote:
I don't know why they even stopped WiS in the first place, sure everyone was worried that they had lost sight on internet spaceships and were moving on to other stuff so the players protested, which is fine but instead of focusing on EVE they went and moved focus to Dust instead.. an FPS that I personally thought was a mistake right from the beginning, and on console of all things, a place dominated by COD and other crappy shooters. (why people protested against WiS and not Dust I have no idea)

So now here we are with only a captains quarters and a failed FPS.. *Sigh* I was one of the few looking forward to WiS, I hope they start working on it again soon.


http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Scroll down to the bottom and see where new subs dropped to almost nothing. There's a corresponding drop in TCU around the same time.

They stopped working on WiS because EVE was very literally dying at the time because of it.

For Dust, they hired a new team at a new studio in a different country losing very few devs to the project, and the game mechanics had/have a lot more potential to be useful and interesting.

As far as starting back up on more space-barbie? I don't know why they'd want to do that. No one has yet pointed out a game mechanic for it that wouldn't be better without the barbie part. Especially considering they'd have to start all the way over because the current version of it is a dead end. EVE itself has some fundamental flaws, and we finally have a roadmap on when the devs are going to work on them. If they fail to fix those flaws, no amount of space-barbie will save EVE.

edit:
Now, if in the future, dust ends up incorporated into EVE to effectively be a new form of space-barbie, that might actually be kinda cool. There was some fanfest talk about a unified login thing between EVE properties, but I kinda zoned out for it because it was part of the session that's only purpose is marketing.

I was under the impression that protests and un-subs were more about the micro-transactions than the captains quarters, it was called 'monoclegate' after all. I'm sure Incarna played a part (maybe a large part) in it but people never mention the 'Greed is good' thing in their anti-WiS arguments, they place the blame solely on Incarna.

I think a major turn-off to some people is a lack of potential pvp in Incarna, it currently feels like a point-n-click game (you can't even run), it's slow and lacks freedom. They should have aimed for a more Mass Effect/Deus Ex ground experience, stores, clubs, social interaction but with the constant threat of violence... just like EVE in space.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#224 - 2014-05-06 06:25:45 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Throw money sir, not flowers.


Oh! you're not dead (unlike WiS). Oh look, the next WiSy thread has arrived *steps away*

I'm in it for the money

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Naomi Hale
#225 - 2014-05-06 06:41:33 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
You guys still believe in anything the devs at CCP say? Might aswell still believe in Santa Claus. Please, even the CEO told you to watch what they do and not what they say.
CCP Hellmar wrote:
But enough talk from me. We all know that much quoted phrase, “It’s not what you say, it’s what you do,” that will make the difference here. From now on, CCP will focus on doing what we say and saying what we do. That is the path to restoring trust and moving forward.

CCP Seagull hasn't got the last word on what is developed or what comes out when and where. For all you know they can have a team of 10 ppl somewhere getting an Unreal 4 WiS ready for integration and deployment whenever, much like they did with the EVA prototype.

Agreed, how many of us had any idea that Valkyrie/EVE VR was a thing before a year ago and now it's a full blown game/project. Surprises come up, and it only takes a handful of devs to come up with a good idea.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#226 - 2014-05-06 06:50:58 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
You are all better off sending me the money and in exchange I'll send you back a poorly drawn MSPaint of what I think the interior of your captains quarters would look like.


Offer is still up.

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#227 - 2014-05-06 08:13:31 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
The real question should be why doesn't Rhes quote CCP Seagull in his sig?

Sig space is limited and CCP Rise's quote is succinct enough.

Erica Dusette wrote:
So I enjoy trolling him a little

Trolling is against the forums ToS so expect to have all your posts deleted by ISD.


I'll make sure all of yours disappear the same day, troll.

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Victor Andall
#228 - 2014-05-06 09:45:10 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
You are all better off sending me the money and in exchange I'll send you back a poorly drawn MSPaint of what I think the interior of your captains quarters would look like.


Offer is still up.


Can we get a preview? Pretty please?

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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#229 - 2014-05-06 14:10:55 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
The real question should be why doesn't Rhes quote CCP Seagull in his sig?

Sig space is limited and CCP Rise's quote is succinct enough.

Erica Dusette wrote:
So I enjoy trolling him a little

Trolling is against the forums ToS so expect to have all your posts deleted by ISD.


I'll make sure all of yours disappear the same day, troll.

You calling me a troll makes me feel harassed, tortured and bullied.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Marsha Mallow
#230 - 2014-05-06 14:17:39 UTC
Rhes wrote:
You calling me a troll makes me feel harassed, tortured and bullied.

*Alarms start flashing in the Teg cave*

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#231 - 2014-05-06 14:22:50 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
The real question should be why doesn't Rhes quote CCP Seagull in his sig?

Sig space is limited and CCP Rise's quote is succinct enough.

Erica Dusette wrote:
So I enjoy trolling him a little

Trolling is against the forums ToS so expect to have all your posts deleted by ISD.


I'll make sure all of yours disappear the same day, troll.

You calling me a troll makes me feel harassed, tortured and bullied.

For the first time ever I gotta agree with Rhes - he's really just a big teddy bear.

The sarcasm in his comment was thick enough for me to use as my nightly facial, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

I'd pity the person who had the time to go back through my entire post history and report everything almost as much as the ISD who'd have to suffer reading over all of the crap I leave behind me. Lol

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#232 - 2014-05-06 14:29:42 UTC
Salpad wrote:


Lots of people are used to avatar-based play and movement in other MMOs and MMORPGs, and so they look at EVE, and note the complete absence of genuine avatar play, and they decide not to try it out.


And in many of those other games the first thing you want to do is turn that off or skip it (if possible) so the game goes faster because "walking around" to do the same repetitive tasks over and over becomes tiresome if not an impediment to playing..

☼

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2014-05-06 14:56:39 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
You are all better off sending me the money and in exchange I'll send you back a poorly drawn MSPaint of what I think the interior of your captains quarters would look like.


Offer is still up.


Can we get a preview? Pretty please?


Maybe it depends on how much time I have today.

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Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#234 - 2014-05-06 15:07:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Incidentally, I have always wondered why the character creator is the way it is.

This quite simply has to be the only game I have ever played, where I can't change my shirt just by clicking it in my inventory. That genuinely perplexed my the first time I bought something off the NeX store (dont worry, it was with free Aurum, like I would buy any of that stuff), and I spent several minutes wondering how I used the item. For some reason you have to reactivate the customisation system just to change your shoes or glasses, have to sit through the photo booth again, and then switch back in to the game. Who on earth thought that was a good idea? I kinda get they (in typical CCP style) did it arse-backwards by introduced the character creator early to give everyone a glimpse before Incarna (talk about monumental screw-up there, by that point they should have realised how anemic Incarna was going to be, and held that back to bulk it up a little), so probably couldn't introduce clothing items without giving away the NeX reveal (almost like they were ashamed of it or something...), but its still an utterly daft system.
Hazzard
Chaotic Dynamics
#235 - 2014-05-06 16:35:22 UTC
I'd give $200 to help fund it.

They really should do a kickstarter to gauge interest, I bet there are quite a few people that would post money to make this happen.
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#236 - 2014-05-06 17:06:21 UTC
Hazzard wrote:
I'd give $200 to help fund it.

They really should do a kickstarter to gauge interest, I bet there are quite a few people that would post money to make this happen.


I am really happy to see that I am not a minority after all.
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#237 - 2014-05-06 17:17:14 UTC
mkint wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Rhes loves to quote the only Dev who ever said anything that remotely detracts from WiS or avatar gameplay.

Despite the fact that Dev has nothing to do with that side of the game anyway.

And despite the fact that other Devs have commented on such development since.

What I find most interesting is that it's WiS-related threads he seems to spend most of his time posting in, and against on the eve forums.

Here you go Rhes, put this one in your sig honey:

CCP Aporia wrote:
CCP Rise's opinion voiced during his reddit IamA was reasonable, but just because the focus is mainly on the spaceship game does not mean that nobody here has an interest to make meaningful Avatar gameplay within the EVE universe happen. (-:



And why aren't you quoting CCP Seagull? You know, the dev boss? That quote where she said they aren't doing it. They aren't planning on doing it. They aren't planning on planning on doing it.

CCP Seagull's development plan is probably the best plan CCP's had since the very beginning of EVE. Who are we kidding? It's the only meaningful plan they've ever had as a company. If space-barbie ever has a place in the development plan again, I'm convinced Seagull will make sure it happens at the right time. It sure as hell won't be within the next 2 or so years, because there's still too much broken stuff that actually matters.


So far there are only a few very active people against the WiS idea in this thread. It's quite likely that CCP is watching this and who knows... Those who are for WiS, love EVE and hope for the community to further develop. How can you attract new players if all you do is space ships? How can this feature be bad for EVE is a mystery to me. And please don't tell me that it will detract from something else because CCP has already invested plenty of time and effort into rebalancing everything.
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2014-05-06 17:22:05 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Erica, can you enlighten us about what was discussed in the WiS panel at fanfest this year?

Negative, I didn't pay much attention to Fanfest.

Perhaps my real error though is using the term "WiS".

We all know the "WiS" project is dead right now. When I say WiS I really mean avatar gameplay in general.

So judging by what I -have- heard from Fanfest, and the multitude of avatar-threads popping up since filled with excited players, I'd say the avatar dream is alive and well - just probably not in stations.


WiS:

- Walk in Stations
- Walk in Structures
- Walk in Spaceships

Maybe there is some other S to add...
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#239 - 2014-05-06 18:26:07 UTC
Ubat Batuk wrote:
Hazzard wrote:
I'd give $200 to help fund it.

They really should do a kickstarter to gauge interest, I bet there are quite a few people that would post money to make this happen.


I am really happy to see that I am not a minority after all.

But you are. The majority of Eve players aren't going to prepay hundreds of dollars for wizard pants and dance emotes. Of the half dozen people who have offered to in this thread most of them wouldn't if a kickstarter became a reality. You could say that are RPing being a donor.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#240 - 2014-05-06 18:36:19 UTC
Hazzard wrote:
I'd give $200 to help fund it.

They really should do a kickstarter to gauge interest, I bet there are quite a few people that would post money to make this happen.

I would too if I hadn't completely lost faith in this company to effectively develop new content
of any kind.

If you give CCP any money, expect them to spend it on whimsical crap that they will lose interest
in and never finish. Perhaps, they will expand their office space with more recreation space and increase
their holiday pay/time.