Player Features and Ideas Discussion

wow 2008 for ghost queue removal and 2009 for skill queue implementation. .. my memory was way off.

Well there you have it boys and girls, lots of sense and devblog's to back it up. Another veteran pilot informing you lot of the origins of the queue mechanic and why it hasnt changed. CREST is probably your only hope.

Thank you for the historical insight, I appreciate your attention to detail.

It may be worthwhile to consider a compromise.

Skill queue access to be exclusive to logging into the game.
Alarm clock "Next skill ONLY" setting of skills to train: Any web browser / smartphone or tablet app.

Don't let the desire for the perfect block the use of the good.

Nikk Narrel, you beat me to it! I also appreciate this post for adding to the debate, and proving a direct link to the dev blog of the time.

I suggest everyone have a read (or re-read) of the blog because it explains the thinking of the developers. It confirms comments made by Habris that CCP's intention is for you to play this very social game. It's far from a killer argument though, more a caution against an indefinite or year long queue.







Just as before, I have no objection to that. EVE is a social game, as is the forum, but RL is important too. I'm sure CCP would not condone a total immersion in the game at the expense of RL responsibilities.

It is also true that there is no emerging consensus of how long an extended skill training queue would be. For example 25 hours, or increased by a percentage up to 26.4 hours, 30-days, a year, or indefinite.

It is undeniable that although the intention is for players to play socially with other players, if all they can manage is to log-in and update the skill queue then log-out, they are not playing as intended through no fault of their own. If a third-party interface for updating the skill training queue is provided then a player who is unable to play can still update their skills, but again will not be able to play with others, as intended, and again through no fault of their own. This has also been referred to as the content creation argument put forth, which at the time I did not understand (jargon).

The unsociable argument against a skill queue extension is therefore weakened if third-party tools are supported instead.

We should also remember that this was the position five years ago.

The same dev blog concludes with a look to the future, and, no offence, but it was disingenuous to overlook this:



Queuing up a skill plan for training was a suggestion made in the other thread about injecting skill books earlier than currently allowed, and I think it is good one. Such a training plan, for example to train all the skills needed to fly a racial cruiser, or to achieve the first mastery certificate of a Venture, would take longer than 24-hours, so I do not accept that this first feature was ever intended to be the final incarnation.

Based on my own interests as a new player, a 30-day queue would be fine. But I also love the idea of automatically queuing up a series of skills from mastery certs or pre-requisites, and I look forward to official comment!

I already left the game once.

I came back a couple of years later, found they had installed a skill queue, and thought how nice that was.

But, and this is an important detail, I did not come back because of what EVE did do, or the emails asking me to check out EVE again, etc.
I came back because I got sick of the other games.

I recalled EVE had been interesting with potential, even if it was not enough to keep me at the time I left before.
And while other games were decaying into short term thrills at the cost of long term enjoyment, EVE had actually improved some.

But, as in life, the journey is never complete. More improvements are called for.

Betting against progress is like betting against the calendar. The future will always prove you wrong.
It's just a matter of time.

See. You are wrong. People buy PLEX to sell on the market. In order to sell these on the market there must be people wanting to buy them. Thats where we come in; we buy them at in game market price. This thus encourages people to continually buy PLEX to sell in game. And at 20 dollars each it's at a higher price than a normal subscription. So when you take the time to understand how a market works, those of use who pay for time in game actually generate more revenue than those who pay for a normal subscription.

In short with a basically if you took time to understand how a market works you would realize you were wrong.

EDIT: Oh and more on point with the topic I couldn't care less about the skill queue extension. I have never had an issue with the current length but I have no doubt an extension would be convenient. So I really don't care.

As my skill queue ended roughly 7 hours ago and I'm not able to Change that within the next ~hour there is a definitive +1 from me...

The assumption that players interested in maintaining a skill queue, are also reliably connected to a PC capable of logging into EVE, is an unsupportable one.

Sure, we can obviously state they intend to play at some point, but that hardly defines a legitimate need for consistent access.
Would we LIKE to see everyone able to play when they prefer? Of course!

But our real lives do not cater to our wishes, at least not for many of us with demands and obligations which need to be met.

The sad truth, is that if we don't have access to a PC in the 24 hours prior to the queue expiring, we begin to be penalized for it.

Penalized in a very real sense, as our characters stop improving their skills, in a game where skill advancement is only permitted by this time sink exclusively.

This time sink, for some players, is the only interaction they can have with the game, for extended periods of time.

Why, in a game that boasts personal choice as defining what a valid play style is, are we telling people that they MUST do this in a certain way?

EVE is all about meta gaming in so many ways, I see no valid reason for this except to filter out players and handicap them if they have real life issues restricting their game access.
Which is also meta gaming, but unlike a sandbox ideal, has no alternatives.

No, you can set it only as long as your longest available untrained skill level.

Maybe for YOU, that is 2 months.

Please do not presume to speak for others, as many are not fairly represented by your statement here.

so the longest a queue can get is still atleast 2 months (and for you i'll add this next bit) or as long as your longest skill. Which i'm pretty sure for almost everyone in eve is atleast a couple of days even just because people are unwilling to plan their training time properly dosen't mean ccp should hold their hands. The skill queue is plenty long enough it dosen't need extending next people will be asking for ccp to plan their training for them and to just give everyone all the skills at level 5 straight away because they can't be bothered to train them

The answer is not a longer queue, but rather the way players can manage it. I'm sorry you cannot realize this.