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wspace mapper tool kill stats

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Bloemkoolsaus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-05-06 11:15:53 UTC
So, our wh mapper registers ship/npc kills in wormholes and displays this in a nice graph. Much like tripwire does. We use this information to see when people have done sites. Looks like they're gonna remove this info (for wspace) from the API.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4556962#post4556962

I'm not sure if the new CSM is in business yet, if they are, Corbexx, help! Pirate
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#2 - 2014-05-06 11:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ab'del Abu
Bloemkoolsaus wrote:
So, our wh mapper registers ship/npc kills in wormholes and displays this in a nice graph. Much like tripwire does. We use this information to see when people have done sites. Looks like they're gonna remove this info (for wspace) from the API.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4556962#post4556962

I'm not sure if the new CSM is in business yet, if they are, Corbexx, help! Pirate


Halp Halp

Seriously though, while it's a very comfortable tool for the casual ganker it's not really that necessary. For log-off-trapping ... well that's another story.
Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-05-06 11:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Sandslinger
To be honest I don't see this as a bad thing, we use these functions extensively as I know many others do. and frankly it makes **** too easy.

Wormholes is meant to be the dark unknown. doesn't really feel that way when we can check every single system for NPCing or Player kills and take appropriate action without even connecting to said systems.

Many will cry at this, and I'll consider each one in the same light I do nullseccers crying at any hint of removing local
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2014-05-06 11:37:56 UTC
I'm sure you could rig something up to ping zkill or eve-kill for a system, but it won't be as accurate as it currently is. There's no fix for NPC kills though.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-05-06 12:12:21 UTC
Everyone in a WH group who uses a mapper an enjoys the feature that shows recent activity needs to get in this thread and tell the Dev that removing a valuable tool you use to find content is not acceptable

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Miriam Hanomaa
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2014-05-06 12:13:54 UTC
This basically makes farming sleepers risk free against logofftraps.

After this, everyone will expo everywhere all the time. You roll the static, catch farmers. No hassle with logofftraps. Combine this with the anom change spawning, and you can catch a capfleet every day! Thanks CCP!

I take it the CSM was not informed before this grand idea was published?
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-05-06 12:41:15 UTC
Ok I'm attually chatting to Fox Four right now.

But any posts here please be constructive and not panic mode.

basics being we are all used to having this info to help us catch people.

If it happens, it will definietly make log on traps a bit harder. Although just keeping a scout in will tell you when people run sites, and you can also check on evekill and zkill for loses. which helps a bit.

For general stuff I guess its going to effect us a bit.

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-05-06 12:52:52 UTC
I fully support removing it.
Who gives a crap? the info is an hour old anyway, it's functionally useless. it doesnt help you catch people, it just tells you that you missed the people that were in a system an hour ago.
if you want to scout someone, use your eyes.

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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#9 - 2014-05-06 12:54:02 UTC
Miriam Hanomaa wrote:
This basically makes farming sleepers risk free against logofftraps.

After this, everyone will expo everywhere all the time. You roll the static, catch farmers. No hassle with logofftraps. Combine this with the anom change spawning, and you can catch a capfleet every day! Thanks CCP!


Haeh? what is it that you're trying to say?
Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#10 - 2014-05-06 12:57:53 UTC
corbexx wrote:
Ok I'm attually chatting to Fox Four right now.

But any posts here please be constructive and not panic mode.



It's fine in and of itself - though as it decreases the risk of w-space PVE it would be nice to see a balancing change which kept that risk at roughly the same.

Incidentally, hour old data is quite useful in the era of the hacking game - where people could well still be in sites down their chain with stuff that can be caught - or running gas sites.

Incidentally, changes like this give the unfortunate impression that no CCPers play this subset of the game - certainly I presume none of them have to rely on a mapper.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-05-06 13:04:34 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
I fully support removing it.
Who gives a crap? the info is an hour old anyway, it's functionally useless. it doesnt help you catch people, it just tells you that you missed the people that were in a system an hour ago.
if you want to scout someone, use your eyes.


Damn you Jack and your logic, get your pitchfork son.

Here you can borrow mine

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Duramah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-05-06 14:07:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Duramah
So as an ex wh pvp'er and still wh pve'er I'd like to say rip logoffski and hello farming!!

I take that back good change for farming and rolling!
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#13 - 2014-05-06 14:32:47 UTC
This should have been done when they removed jumps in system...

free intel is bad, as such, signature detection needs to be delayed (unless someone bothers to use probes) and in this case, magic intel about pve activity needs to go too.

It really should go both ways.
Kryxal
Wing Born Echos
#14 - 2014-05-06 15:27:33 UTC
These days, it's mostly useful as historical data ... that is, they WERE farming then, so they probably WILL BE farming in a few hours. First they removed jump data, now they're looking to remove kill data, I have to wonder what useful info we lose in a year or two...
Thor66777
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#15 - 2014-05-06 15:49:25 UTC
Ill quote my response from that thread:

Thor66777 wrote:
Its quite entertaining hearing all of these "big" wormhole alliances complaining about this change. I for one welcome it as it gives a new challenge to overcome (which is what wormholes are famous for). You actually have to put in some effort to gather information now rather than it being handed to you via API.


This is wormhole space, its supposed to be unknown. Sorry some of you are butthert about the information not being handed to you anymore, you actually have to work for it now.
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#16 - 2014-05-06 16:33:37 UTC
Please see this thread for an ongoing discussion of the topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4558401#post4558401

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G0hme
Illusion of Flight
#17 - 2014-05-06 17:59:59 UTC
So smug :D

Fully support this change. People should get off their asses and do some old fashion Hunting!

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Shook CCP Soundwave's hand at Fanfest 2013

Got NPC API removed from Wormhole Space.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#18 - 2014-05-06 18:04:33 UTC
Tbh whether they keep it or not its a win. If they do its a valuable tool forthose putting the effort in to seed caps for log off trapsm however, eve isnt for loggin off its for playing! I think removing that tool will put farmers at ease with the whole log off trap thing.. more cap kills!
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#19 - 2014-05-06 18:16:52 UTC
If they removed it but sigs update only with probes it'd be nice. As it stands, just a buff to farming

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#20 - 2014-05-06 18:59:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
Pretty dumb.

Well, I look forward to the whining when w-space is full of farmers.

I guess I can do my part and go back to farming instead of ganking the farmers. And you'll never catch me either with this change, so good luck.
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