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ISD Tyrozan
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ISD Alliance
#2121 - 2014-05-05 18:50:30 UTC
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2122 - 2014-05-05 19:35:33 UTC
Just to backtrack a bit and resurrect the discussion Tyberius Franklin and I were having… I was able to modify pyfa (thanks Sable Blitzmann!) by hacking the stats on a Berserker I heavy drone. When you drop a pair of Geckos into your Rattlesnake on Tuesday they will deliver 875 dps with V skills utilizing 4x T2 DDAs. 4x T2 DNC's will take this to 5k m/sec velocity.

With the release of the Summer expansion (assuming no further changes to the OP), a single Gecko with the same configuration will bump this to 1095 dps with just over 7k m/sec velocity. To put that in perspective, if you simultaneously launch cruise missiles and the Gecko… the Gecko will hit first.
Twisted

I'll post an update shortly with a revised EHP.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2123 - 2014-05-05 19:48:37 UTC
Gecko EHP… 49,400 (average) with 1x T2 Drone Durability and 2x T1 Drone Durability rigs.
EM - 51,011 EHP … Thermal - 47,445 EHP … Kinetic - 46,946 EHP … Explosive - 52,192 EHP
This assumes full V skills as well.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2124 - 2014-05-05 19:55:10 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Gecko EHP… 49,400 (average) with 1x T2 Drone Durability and 2x T1 Drone Durability rigs.
EM - 51,011 EHP … Thermal - 47,445 EHP … Kinetic - 46,946 EHP … Explosive - 52,192 EHP
This assumes full V skills as well.


I have flown Megathrons with less EFT ehpOops
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2125 - 2014-05-05 20:01:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I have flown Megathrons with less EFT ehpOops

They are pretty scary numbers, to be sure...

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2126 - 2014-05-05 20:05:08 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I have flown Megathrons with less EFT ehpOops

They are pretty scary numbers, to be sure...


Its entirely possible there will be rattles come summer with less ehp than the drones its launchingLol
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2127 - 2014-05-05 20:13:18 UTC
Arthur did you happen to get the numbers on what the alpha of a Gecko will be?

Pretty sure at this point, via napkin math, that I need to revise my statement of the Rattlesnake having a pocket assault frigate to being that the Rattlesnake has a pocket AHAC instead.

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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#2128 - 2014-05-05 20:13:34 UTC
I guess I've missed something, what are these Gecko drones you are speaking of?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2129 - 2014-05-05 20:17:24 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
I guess I've missed something, what are these Gecko drones you are speaking of?


They're adding a new (Guristas?) drone called the Gecko. It will apparently be an anniversary prize or something, everybody gets 3 of them.

It uses 50mb of bandwidth and it's stats are obscene. They get even worse when you pair them up with the Rattlesnake's new drone bonus, so it seems as though the Snake is intended to be used with them.

[edit: The stats are already in the game, I think you can look them up in the market.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2130 - 2014-05-05 20:18:50 UTC
If they aren't replaceable, they're basically the drone version of the state raven.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#2131 - 2014-05-05 20:20:24 UTC
indeed, geckos are horribly deadly.

with the split damage types tho, i dnt know if using them in missions will be worth it. please dnt gank me when i use them kaarous.

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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#2132 - 2014-05-05 20:23:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Last Wolf
So what happens when a carrier launches 15 of these drones? How do they compare to fighters? Or does anyone have a link to their stats?

Edit, Carrier can only launch 7.

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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2133 - 2014-05-05 20:24:54 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
indeed, geckos are horribly deadly.

with the split damage types tho, i dnt know if using them in missions will be worth it. please dnt gank me when i use them kaarous.


Let's avoid the hyperbole. Geckos are about as powerful as two ogres, and take up the same bandwidth and volume as two ogres. So they are only horribly deadly if two ogres are horribly deadly.

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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#2134 - 2014-05-05 20:43:40 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Just to backtrack a bit and resurrect the discussion Tyberius Franklin and I were having… I was able to modify pyfa (thanks Sable Blitzmann!) by hacking the stats on a Berserker I heavy drone. When you drop a pair of Geckos into your Rattlesnake on Tuesday they will deliver 875 dps with V skills utilizing 4x T2 DDAs. 4x T2 DNC's will take this to 5k m/sec velocity.

With the release of the Summer expansion (assuming no further changes to the OP), a single Gecko with the same configuration will bump this to 1095 dps with just over 7k m/sec velocity. To put that in perspective, if you simultaneously launch cruise missiles and the Gecko… the Gecko will hit first.
Twisted

I'll post an update shortly with a revised EHP.


So if you launch the Gecko from a Ishtar...

9.7km/s?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2135 - 2014-05-05 21:00:46 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
indeed, geckos are horribly deadly.

with the split damage types tho, i dnt know if using them in missions will be worth it. please dnt gank me when i use them kaarous.


I imagine people might gank both to steal those, and to blow them up out of spite alone. It would be so much more than a MTU killmail.

Thing is, if you're using it on a Rattlesnake, it'd take about 5 Catalysts to kill one in time for a suicide gank, sec status depending obviously.

So I wouldn't be that worried, honestly.

Oh, and Mournful? The Gecko is faster, hits harder, tracks better, and has more hitpoints than 2 ogres. With Rattlesnake bonuses it will be insane. Price is the only constricting factor in it's use.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#2136 - 2014-05-05 21:10:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Oh, and Mournful? The Gecko is faster, hits harder, tracks better, and has more hitpoints than 2 ogres. With Rattlesnake bonuses it will be insane. Price is the only constricting factor in it's use.


i was going to say this.

its two ogres combined and then put on steroids.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2137 - 2014-05-05 21:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Arthur did you happen to get the numbers on what the alpha of a Gecko will be?

Pretty sure at this point, via napkin math, that I need to revise my statement of the Rattlesnake having a pocket assault frigate to being that the Rattlesnake has a pocket AHAC instead.

Yeah, and it's obscene… Until the summer release a pair of Geckos will each have an alpha of 1750. With the summer release, a single Gecko will have an alpha of 5235. Potentially 5-8% more with Faction DDA's. I'm not even sure why we're talking about missiles…

afkalt wrote:
If they aren't replaceable, they're basically the drone version of the state raven.

CCP Seagull indicated there would be a means to unlock more. It's been suggested that Ghost sites might somehow be involved, but it's anyone's guess.

Daichi Yamato wrote:
with the split damage types tho, i dnt know if using them in missions will be worth it. please dnt gank me when i use them kaarous.

They'll be great for finishing anything off that's in structure or vs. stationary targets, at the very least.

Last Wolf wrote:
So if you launch the Gecko from a Ishtar… 9.7km/s?

Potentially, yeah.

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Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2138 - 2014-05-05 22:05:33 UTC
Dunno about pvp, but a reasonable assumption in pve regarding split resists would be around 65-85% effectiveness.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#2139 - 2014-05-06 00:40:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
thought it was confirmed as a birthday gift.

Quote:
In closing this summary, CCP Seagull announced that, as thanks to the players on the birthday of EVE, CCP will be giving each player 3 new Gecko drones, which is a Guristas Heavy Drone.


http://themittani.com/news/fanfest-eve-keynote

edit - really? 5000 alpha?

i remember back in the day when i used a Mael that rat BC's had ~4500 hp.

i doubt it will one shot a BC because of resists, but this might be a bit OP lol.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2140 - 2014-05-06 01:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Daichi Yamato wrote:
edit - really? 5000 alpha?

Actually, I think it will be closer to 6000. I have crap drone skills right now but the alpha on the Geckos in the current configuration is already 1350 each (2700 for a pair).

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