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Noir. [Est. 2008]

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Joseph Soprano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2014-05-04 13:38:16 UTC
Michele Bachmann wrote:
What can I say about NOIR.

Consistent, intelligent, trustworthy.

Just a great continuation of an already solid relationship.

+1 would hire again.


Saying they are trustworthy is going a bit far isn't it when they look at their clients contract and think to themselves how can we screw our client. Just because your enemies didn't want to pay Noir to attack your allies or that you had the good foresight to include a non aggression clause in your contract for for allies (which I'm sure there grateful for btw) doesn't make Noir trustworthy.

'+1 would hire again.' - Its like playing Russian roulette isn't it :)
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#182 - 2014-05-04 14:47:39 UTC
Are people really complaining about more pvp?

"It is not possible either to trick or escape the mind of Zeus."

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Michele Bachmann
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2014-05-04 16:50:34 UTC
Joseph Soprano wrote:


Saying they are trustworthy is going a bit far isn't it when they look at their clients contract and think to themselves how can we screw our client. Just because your enemies didn't want to pay Noir to attack your allies or that you had the good foresight to include a non aggression clause in your contract for for allies (which I'm sure there grateful for btw) doesn't make Noir trustworthy.

'+1 would hire again.' - Its like playing Russian roulette isn't it :)



My post was in reference to a contract completely separate from an issue that I don't give a f*ck about.

Please continue with your tears though.
Joseph Soprano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2014-05-04 17:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Joseph Soprano
Michele Bachmann wrote:
Joseph Soprano wrote:


Saying they are trustworthy is going a bit far isn't it when they look at their clients contract and think to themselves how can we screw our client. Just because your enemies didn't want to pay Noir to attack your allies or that you had the good foresight to include a non aggression clause in your contract for for allies (which I'm sure there grateful for btw) doesn't make Noir trustworthy.

'+1 would hire again.' - Its like playing Russian roulette isn't it :)



My post was in reference to a contract completely separate from an issue that I don't give a f*ck about.

Please continue with your tears though.


No your post was about butt kissing Noir.
Please 'give a f*ck about' issues that question the trustworthiness of someone when you give a recommendation. You may say Joseph your full of sh*t Noir was scammed by Gevlon and they are totally trustworthy but at least give a f*ck. Ok

'Please continue with your tears though.' - Thank for your permission although it is not required. You can borrow my hanky if you want.
Michele Bachmann
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2014-05-04 19:31:34 UTC
Joseph Soprano wrote:
[quote=Michele Bachmann]
No your post was about butt kissing Noir.
Please 'give a f*ck about' issues that question the trustworthiness of someone when you give a recommendation. You may say Joseph your full of sh*t Noir was scammed by Gevlon and they are totally trustworthy but at least give a f*ck. Ok

'Please continue with your tears though.' - Thank for your permission although it is not required. You can borrow my hanky if you want.



The world is still spinning outside of your little tantrum or whatever.
Fayral
Nano Currency
Yeet. Pray. Love.
#186 - 2014-05-04 19:32:07 UTC
His post was feedback on recent work that is documented on our killboard. His opinion of us is no less important than yours. Please un-bunch your underwear.

Proof that Noir will continue doing what we do best.
Aiko Zan
Doomheim
#187 - 2014-05-04 20:01:53 UTC
Joseph Soprano wrote:
Michele Bachmann wrote:
Joseph Soprano wrote:


Saying they are trustworthy is going a bit far isn't it when they look at their clients contract and think to themselves how can we screw our client. Just because your enemies didn't want to pay Noir to attack your allies or that you had the good foresight to include a non aggression clause in your contract for for allies (which I'm sure there grateful for btw) doesn't make Noir trustworthy.

'+1 would hire again.' - Its like playing Russian roulette isn't it :)



My post was in reference to a contract completely separate from an issue that I don't give a f*ck about.

Please continue with your tears though.


No your post was about butt kissing Noir.
Please 'give a f*ck about' issues that question the trustworthiness of someone when you give a recommendation. You may say Joseph your full of sh*t Noir was scammed by Gevlon and they are totally trustworthy but at least give a f*ck. Ok

'Please continue with your tears though.' - Thank for your permission although it is not required. You can borrow my hanky if you want.


So you would follow someone who would do this?
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#188 - 2014-05-04 20:10:43 UTC
Aiko Zan wrote:
Joseph Soprano wrote:
Michele Bachmann wrote:
Joseph Soprano wrote:


Saying they are trustworthy is going a bit far isn't it when they look at their clients contract and think to themselves how can we screw our client. Just because your enemies didn't want to pay Noir to attack your allies or that you had the good foresight to include a non aggression clause in your contract for for allies (which I'm sure there grateful for btw) doesn't make Noir trustworthy.

'+1 would hire again.' - Its like playing Russian roulette isn't it :)



My post was in reference to a contract completely separate from an issue that I don't give a f*ck about.

Please continue with your tears though.


No your post was about butt kissing Noir.
Please 'give a f*ck about' issues that question the trustworthiness of someone when you give a recommendation. You may say Joseph your full of sh*t Noir was scammed by Gevlon and they are totally trustworthy but at least give a f*ck. Ok

'Please continue with your tears though.' - Thank for your permission although it is not required. You can borrow my hanky if you want.


So you would follow someone who would do this?

Is there any proof that's actually Goblin's twitter? looks like a fake account to me.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#189 - 2014-05-04 20:38:03 UTC
Fayral wrote:
His post was feedback on recent work that is documented on our killboard. His opinion of us is no less important than yours.

Considering Michele is a pleased employer from a job since Goblin's smear campaign started and Joseph is in the pet alliance of the guy that broke contract with us and started said smear to cover his bad behaviour:

I'm gonna make the bold claim and say his opinion is a *bit* more important.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#190 - 2014-05-04 21:55:42 UTC
Michele Bachmann wrote:
What can I say about NOIR.

Consistent, intelligent, trustworthy.

Just a great continuation of an already solid relationship.

+1 would hire again.


Confirm GF

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#191 - 2014-05-05 10:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Fayral wrote:
His post was feedback on recent work that is documented on our killboard. His opinion of us is no less important than yours.

Considering Michele is a pleased employer from a job since Goblin's smear campaign started and Joseph is in the pet alliance of the guy that broke contract with us and started said smear to cover his bad behaviour:

I'm gonna make the bold claim and say his opinion is a *bit* more important.


Fascinating, how you try to avoid the issue, at least Fayral admitted that it could have been handled better and +1 to him for that.

Actually its irrelevant, the question is all about your relationship with certain entities in the game, when a client has a potential contract against the Goons, especially a contract touching upon Goons and their status/propaganda, they have to question the level of trust that they can expect from your alliance in carrying out the contract, especially if they are generally despised by the in-crowd. As the Obsidian Front is not CFC aligned and not one of the illuminati, or a CSM / ex-CSM, there was no chance of you being untrustworthy in any shape or form.

And that is the thought process people will have to use when judging whether you can be trusted or not, get it?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#192 - 2014-05-05 15:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
Dracvlad wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Fayral wrote:
His post was feedback on recent work that is documented on our killboard. His opinion of us is no less important than yours.

Considering Michele is a pleased employer from a job since Goblin's smear campaign started and Joseph is in the pet alliance of the guy that broke contract with us and started said smear to cover his bad behaviour:

I'm gonna make the bold claim and say his opinion is a *bit* more important.


Fascinating, how you try to avoid the issue, at least Fayral admitted that it could have been handled better and +1 to him for that.

Actually its irrelevant, the question is all about your relationship with certain entities in the game, when a client has a potential contract against the Goons, especially a contract touching upon Goons and their status/propaganda, they have to question the level of trust that they can expect from your alliance in carrying out the contract, especially if they are generally despised by the in-crowd. As the Obsidian Front is not CFC aligned and not one of the illuminati, or a CSM / ex-CSM, there was no chance of you being untrustworthy in any shape or form.

And that is the thought process people will have to use when judging whether you can be trusted or not, get it?

Nope, don't get it

EDIT:

Let me say it another way. You can, of course, choose to believe that our recent contract against CFC, Marmite, some 10 man corp i cant remember the name of, and Darwin's Lemmings during Burn JIta 3 was just an elaborate cover for Noir. being secret Goons. I suppose the same logic could extend to the other three contracts linked above, and probably the other 250 odd ones we've done. I can't imagine what such an elaborate 8 year long effort to establish a cover like that would hope to accomplish but I'm sure you can. Or perhaps you only doubt our trustworthiness because I've been elected to the CSM twice, which is, as we all know, a front for recruiting and training GoonWaffe sleeper agents to infiltrate the EVE community at the highest levels of power.

If such conspiracy theories are your want, it is OK to not hire us. For everyone else, there's NMG.

Also I think you dismiss FAILD and FRONT's connections to the New World Order a bit too quickly. I have this FRAPS showing a meeting between Airric and Ynot in the shadows of the Lincoln Monument. Just for a few frames, AIrrc's Megathron reveals its lizard scales before shape shifting back and after their whispered conversation is over Ynot boards a black helicopter which landed on a secret helipad behind Lincoln's head.

Check it out at EVEinfowars.com; if you can't find it, it's probably because the shadow CSM took it down.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#193 - 2014-05-05 15:49:24 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Fayral wrote:
His post was feedback on recent work that is documented on our killboard. His opinion of us is no less important than yours.

Considering Michele is a pleased employer from a job since Goblin's smear campaign started and Joseph is in the pet alliance of the guy that broke contract with us and started said smear to cover his bad behaviour:

I'm gonna make the bold claim and say his opinion is a *bit* more important.


Fascinating, how you try to avoid the issue, at least Fayral admitted that it could have been handled better and +1 to him for that.

Actually its irrelevant, the question is all about your relationship with certain entities in the game, when a client has a potential contract against the Goons, especially a contract touching upon Goons and their status/propaganda, they have to question the level of trust that they can expect from your alliance in carrying out the contract, especially if they are generally despised by the in-crowd. As the Obsidian Front is not CFC aligned and not one of the illuminati, or a CSM / ex-CSM, there was no chance of you being untrustworthy in any shape or form.

And that is the thought process people will have to use when judging whether you can be trusted or not, get it?

Nope, don't get it

EDIT:

Let me say it another way. You can, of course, choose to believe that our recent contract against CFC, Marmite, some 10 man corp i cant remember the name of, and Darwin's Lemmings during Burn JIta 3 was just an elaborate cover for Noir. being secret Goons. I suppose the same logic could extend to the other three contracts linked above, and probably the other 250 odd ones we've done. I can't imagine what such an elaborate 8 year long effort to establish a cover like that would hope to accomplish but I'm sure you can. Or perhaps you only doubt our trustworthiness because I've been elected to the CSM twice, which is, as we all know, a front for recruiting and training GoonWaffe sleeper agents to infiltrate the EVE community at the highest levels of power.

If such conspiracy theories are your want, it is OK to not hire us. For everyone else, there's NMG.

Also I think you dismiss FAILD and FRONT's connections to the New World Order a bit too quickly. I have this FRAPS showing a meeting between Airric and Ynot in the shadows of the Lincoln Monument. Just for a few frames, AIrrc's Megathron reveals its lizard scales before shape shifting back and after their whispered conversation is over Ynot boards a black helicopter which landed on a secret helipad behind Lincoln's head.

Check it out at EVEinfowars.com; if you can't find it, it's probably because the shadow CSM took it down.


Sadly the link did not work, however I would presume that it was a link to either your CFC kills during your Gevlon Goblin campaign or a link to the CFC good fights that you are having while contracted to BL or Tri or whoever. It proves nothing, it is not a defense in context of the above issue and only naive fools would believe that. (Your Edit suggests that it was.)

The CFC leadership don't care about their ratters getting blapped as long as its not too bad, they want good fights to keep them on their toes and their players interested, in fact BL / Tri and your alliance are doing them a favour. It was noticeable that I only saw one renter alliance kill on your KB during April and that was during Burn Jita, but you could hardly be blamed for that as you are clients of BL and Tri and they are in it for good fights, not to do real damage.

This is the fun part, you held yourself up as professional mercs who people could trust to do the contract, and up until this recent event no one in their right mind would argue with you, however the question that any reasonable person has to ask is when it comes to hitting something serious, like the status, the image or the income of the Goons would you really perfom or even do it, your actions took the wind out of Gevlons campaign which was against the Goons status as being able to screw over others game, the entire Goon leadership obviously were wetting themselves at this, you sold out a client in favour of another, so this event over-shadowed Goblins campaign totally and invalidated everything he had done. You know that, the Goons know that and Gevlon Goblin knows that.

I have to say it was an excellent stitch up, but at the end of the day, you have lost something from this and you know it. Cool

Of course you are not secret Goons, thats a smokescreen, and getting sarcastic on the CSM part was also fun, feeling the heat there, so its into attack the person getting too close to what the issue is, love it, I just achieved my objective in this thread with this Edit you added, Its been fun, but that's it for me, last post on this. Big smile

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#194 - 2014-05-05 16:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
Dracvlad wrote:
your actions took the wind out of Gevlons campaign which was against the Goons status as being able to screw over others game

If our 80 man alliance shooting a handful of Darwin's Lemmings for 3 days "took the wind" out of Goblin's efforts, perhaps you should put your anti-Goon eggs in a different basket. Cool

EDIT: And to be clear, we only invalidated everything Goblin had ever done as his punishment for breaking contract. I will smug post hard about this soon I'm sure.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Magnus Cortex
Ginger Industrial Solutions
#195 - 2014-05-05 16:50:56 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
your actions took the wind out of Gevlons campaign which was against the Goons status as being able to screw over others game


If Pandemic Legion, Black Legion, TRI, NC. and other so-called elite pvp organizations together with what was previously the largest supercap fleet ingame cannot accomplish this in 0.0, I dont know what any sane person thinks anyone is able to do in highsec.

Dont stop believing I guess?
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#196 - 2014-05-05 18:38:07 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
your actions took the wind out of Gevlons campaign which was against the Goons status as being able to screw over others game

If our 80 man alliance shooting a handful of Darwin's Lemmings for 3 days "took the wind" out of Goblin's efforts, perhaps you should put your anti-Goon eggs in a different basket. Cool

EDIT: And to be clear, we only invalidated everything Goblin had ever done as his punishment for breaking contract. I will smug post hard about this soon I'm sure.


Well I have been in a few wars against the Goons, and the challenge of the game is to be against them not with them, but I cannot help but admire the leadership, for me they have won Eve and damned impressive it is too. This incident was very well played indeed by the Goon leadership, but I really don't understand Noir's leadership in this, why were you so blinded by your personal relationships. Which is the point where I was coming from, your not a secret Goon, but I think you lost the plot in terms of Noir's position, which I find a shame, but we all make mistakes.

Magnus Cortex wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
your actions took the wind out of Gevlons campaign which was against the Goons status as being able to screw over others game.


If Pandemic Legion, Black Legion, TRI, NC. and other so-called elite pvp organizations together with what was previously the largest supercap fleet ingame cannot accomplish this in 0.0, I dont know what any sane person thinks anyone is able to do in highsec.

Dont stop believing I guess?


They are PvP organisations, they are just not as good at Sov war as the CFC.

But in any case your propaganda arm is second to none, that phrase -A- is s... stuck, and then became reality, that is the type of power that you have in the game, its a very very important part of how you win, what is interesting is that Gevlon tried to go after your sense of invincibility in terms of your attacks on hisec and in fact it was a good try, but the Noir event completely destroyed its effectiveness because everyone focused on how he had been stitched up by Noir.


You got me to reply again, anyway I understand why Gevlon is really upset, but my feeling is that Noir lost something from this, respect basically, because up until this event people had a perception that they were trustworthy, now that has been rather dented.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#197 - 2014-05-05 19:12:15 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Fayral wrote:
His post was feedback on recent work that is documented on our killboard. His opinion of us is no less important than yours.

Considering Michele is a pleased employer from a job since Goblin's smear campaign started and Joseph is in the pet alliance of the guy that broke contract with us and started said smear to cover his bad behaviour:
I'm gonna make the bold claim and say his opinion is a *bit* more important.

Fascinating, how you try to avoid the issue, at least Fayral admitted that it could have been handled better and +1 to him for that.
Actually its irrelevant, the question is all about your relationship with certain entities in the game, when a client has a potential contract against the Goons, especially a contract touching upon Goons and their status/propaganda, they have to question the level of trust that they can expect from your alliance in carrying out the contract, especially if they are generally despised by the in-crowd. As the Obsidian Front is not CFC aligned and not one of the illuminati, or a CSM / ex-CSM, there was no chance of you being untrustworthy in any shape or form.
And that is the thought process people will have to use when judging whether you can be trusted or not, get it?

Nope, don't get it
EDIT:
Let me say it another way. You can, of course, choose to believe that our recent contract against CFC, Marmite, some 10 man corp i cant remember the name of, and Darwin's Lemmings during Burn JIta 3 was just an elaborate cover for Noir. being secret Goons. I suppose the same logic could extend to the other three contracts linked above, and probably the other 250 odd ones we've done. I can't imagine what such an elaborate 8 year long effort to establish a cover like that would hope to accomplish but I'm sure you can. Or perhaps you only doubt our trustworthiness because I've been elected to the CSM twice, which is, as we all know, a front for recruiting and training GoonWaffe sleeper agents to infiltrate the EVE community at the highest levels of power.
If such conspiracy theories are your want, it is OK to not hire us. For everyone else, there's NMG.

Also I think you dismiss FAILD and FRONT's connections to the New World Order a bit too quickly. I have this FRAPS showing a meeting between Airric and Ynot in the shadows of the Lincoln Monument. Just for a few frames, AIrrc's Megathron reveals its lizard scales before shape shifting back and after their whispered conversation is over Ynot boards a black helicopter which landed on a secret helipad behind Lincoln's head.

Check it out at EVEinfowars.com; if you can't find it, it's probably because the shadow CSM took it down.


I think the issue is that clients expect their mercs to try to do their job as best as they can. So let me ask you something.

Do you think you could have killed/jammed goon flashies in Jita better with or without also taking the time to shoot targets that you were hired by them to shoot?

Do you think you could have killed goon enemies better with or without also trying to jam/kill out the goon flashies in Jita?
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#198 - 2014-05-05 20:54:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:


I think the issue is that clients expect their mercs to try to do their job as best as they can. So let me ask you something.

Do you think you could have killed/jammed goon flashies in Jita better with or without also taking the time to shoot targets that you were hired by them to shoot?

Do you think you could have killed goon enemies better with or without also trying to jam/kill out the goon flashies in Jita?

Our contract required us to fight CFC and the people shooting them at the same time. Goblin's contract was a per kill reward for each CFC ganking ship and pod we could nab.

As you say, clients expect us to do the best we can. We DID kill Goons better with taking the time to shoot the handful of Lemmings that wandered into JIta after their alliance stood down because fighting GSF in tidi was "too hard." We did better vs Goons this year than last year. Our best just happened to be awesome :)

I appreciate your trolling Seraph but I think you can stop trying to float the "Gevlon hired Noir. to jam Goons after they suicide ganked" and "Noir. hired by Goons to protect them" canards. I know you're still worked up about Noir. Academy kicking you out and mad at me for having to remove you from Merc Contracts channel for various shady behaviors. I know you're a perennial embarrassment to the mercenary community, but you're not illiterate (and neither are most people as it turns out, considering the support and buisiness we've been getting since this started).

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#199 - 2014-05-05 22:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph IX Basarab
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Our contract required us to fight CFC and the people shooting them at the same time. Goblin's contract was a per kill reward for each CFC ganking ship and pod we could nab. As you say, clients expect us to do the best we can. We DID kill Goons better with taking the time to shoot the handful of Lemmings that wandered into JIta after their alliance stood down because fighting GSF in tidi was "too hard." We did better vs Goons this year than last year. Our best just happened to be awesome :)


I didn't ask you to insult Lemmings for their participation in Jita. I asked if you felt that you could do either job individually better rather than both contracts together. Can you answer that question?

Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
I appreciate your trolling Seraph but I think you can stop trying to float the "Gevlon hired Noir. to jam Goons after they suicide ganked" and "Noir. hired by Goons to protect them" canards. I know you're still worked up about Noir. Academy kicking you out and mad at me for having to remove you from Merc Contracts channel for various shady behaviors. I know you're a perennial embarrassment to the mercenary community, but you're not illiterate (and neither are most people as it turns out, considering the support and buisiness we've been getting since this started).


*tinfoil* Roll Now we were having a nice discussion about a topic. Nobody cares about what personal laundry you wish to air out. PM me if you really need to tell me how you really feel. Spare these people.
Aiko Zan
Doomheim
#200 - 2014-05-06 02:56:11 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Our contract required us to fight CFC and the people shooting them at the same time. Goblin's contract was a per kill reward for each CFC ganking ship and pod we could nab. As you say, clients expect us to do the best we can. We DID kill Goons better with taking the time to shoot the handful of Lemmings that wandered into JIta after their alliance stood down because fighting GSF in tidi was "too hard." We did better vs Goons this year than last year. Our best just happened to be awesome :)


I didn't ask you to insult Lemmings for their participation in Jita. I asked if you felt that you could do either job individually better rather than both contracts together. Can you answer that question?

Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
I appreciate your trolling Seraph but I think you can stop trying to float the "Gevlon hired Noir. to jam Goons after they suicide ganked" and "Noir. hired by Goons to protect them" canards. I know you're still worked up about Noir. Academy kicking you out and mad at me for having to remove you from Merc Contracts channel for various shady behaviors. I know you're a perennial embarrassment to the mercenary community, but you're not illiterate (and neither are most people as it turns out, considering the support and buisiness we've been getting since this started).


*tinfoil* Roll Now we were having a nice discussion about a topic. Nobody cares about what personal laundry you wish to air out. PM me if you really need to tell me how you really feel. Spare these people.



No no It is ok, please do share TwistedTwisted

I had no idea you were once part of Noir, why were you kicked out?