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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#21 - 2014-05-05 13:38:24 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Bonus round.

If you get dropped on midsite, use a mobile depot and refit all ECM!!!!

Siege mode un-counter jammable super falcon!



I laughed. Doesn't seem incredibly useful, but would be annoying.
Calmatt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-05-05 14:30:04 UTC
Thank you Keith, for validating my old C5-C1 Black Hole corp back in 2010. This is exactly what we would do for our RR tengu fleets on home ops. No one ever believed me, but now I think they might.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#23 - 2014-05-05 15:12:02 UTC
Paikis wrote:
This is entirely unnecessary. 1 Archons, 1 Revelation, 2+ of any other Dread, 1 Loki. Throw everything into the site straight up, blow it up, warp in your second carrier when there are 8 Sleepless Guardians left and get out of there in 1 siege cycle.

Anything else is just complicating the matter.

First Dread absolutely must be a Revelation, first Carrier absolutely must be an Archon, boosts absolutely must be had.


wow somebody actually knows how to run sites on these forums. I dunno about this ~rev~ stuff but ok.
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#24 - 2014-05-05 16:12:26 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:

The Nag is alright looking but far too vertical.


Do you have issues with big things that are "vertical"?
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#25 - 2014-05-05 16:13:15 UTC
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Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#26 - 2014-05-05 16:36:28 UTC
Paikis wrote:
This is entirely unnecessary. 1 Archons, 1 Revelation, 2+ of any other Dread, 1 Loki. Throw everything into the site straight up, blow it up, warp in your second carrier when there are 8 Sleepless Guardians left and get out of there in 1 siege cycle.

Anything else is just complicating the matter.

First Dread absolutely must be a Revelation, first Carrier absolutely must be an Archon, boosts absolutely must be had.


Please post a video of you doing a site with 3 dreads in one cycle and I will believe you.

♞
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#27 - 2014-05-05 20:51:09 UTC
Theoretically if you are going to go full riitard on sperging dreads into sites, why bring a loki at all?

[Phoenix, Wolf Raywhut?]

Damage Control II
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Dark Blood Stasis Webifier
Dark Blood Stasis Webifier
Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Siege Module II
'Limos' Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile
'Limos' Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile
'Limos' Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile

Capital Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Capital Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Capital Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Dunno what that dissy's doing there >.>

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#28 - 2014-05-05 21:00:22 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Theoretically if you are going to go full riitard on sperging dreads into sites, why bring a loki at all?

[Phoenix, Wolf Raywhut?]

Damage Control II
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Dark Blood Stasis Webifier
Dark Blood Stasis Webifier
Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Siege Module II
'Limos' Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile
'Limos' Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile
'Limos' Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile

Capital Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Capital Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Capital Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Dunno what that dissy's doing there >.>


Heresy
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#29 - 2014-05-06 00:28:37 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Theoretically if you are going to go full riitard on sperging dreads into sites, why bring a loki at all?

[Phoenix, Wolf Raywhut?]
snip


Webs on that are pointless. Even with perfect boosts you don't even get 20kms. You will never web a sleeper with them. There is a reason Lokis/Rapiers/Huggins get used, and it's the web range bonus.

Keith Planck wrote:
Please post a video of you doing a site with 3 dreads in one cycle and I will believe you.


As I explained in your reddit post on this matter, I no longer have access to the characters I used to do this. I haven't ran a site since... November?-ish? I quite simply can't make the video you're asking for. I also sold all my caps, except for a single Thanatos and a Revelation.

However, since I'm not the only one in that thread telling you this can be done, and since there are some things you apparently don't know about sleepers and fits to do it, will you allow that perhaps I might be right?

Also, you have access (I assume) to the characters and ships required to do this. Jack Miton is in your corp, I assume he knows a thing or two about Sleepers, since he wrote the only real guide on doing it.

Don't take my word for it, go test it.
Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#30 - 2014-05-06 00:51:17 UTC
Wait, you guys still use two siege cycles?

- 1 respect
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-05-06 01:16:17 UTC
Senn Denroth wrote:
Wait, you guys still use two siege cycles?
- 1 respect

im sorry, we clearly don't bear enough to be uber-leet PVEers like you.

it also makes zero difference if it takes 1,2 or 3 siege cycles given the limited nature of home sites.
the only time to care at all how long it takes is on carebear expo where you should be min/maxing your process.
i'd rather semi afk the sites in 3 cycles than blitz them in 1 and have to pay attention every time.

Personally I haven't really run sites in about a year. The only time I participated was when people in corp needed some pilot slots filled.

PS: if you're using rev as first dread, i got some bad news for you son...

There is no Bob.

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#32 - 2014-05-06 01:33:00 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
PS: if you're using rev as first dread, i got some bad news for you son...


Do tell!
Hayley Enaka
Bookmark Both Sides
#33 - 2014-05-06 01:34:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Hayley Enaka
Paikis wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
PS: if you're using rev as first dread, i got some bad news for you son...


Do tell!


I got 99 problems but using a Rev ain't one
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-05-06 02:43:54 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Van Steiza wrote:
So erm guys the Phoenix is getting a buff.. it will no longer be crap ;) ;) ;) ;).

Catch up!


It'll be even more like a Chimmy now :)


Great Bobs beard! Im in the same corp as you? Bob save me
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#35 - 2014-05-06 03:07:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
Paikis wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
PS: if you're using rev as first dread, i got some bad news for you son...


Do tell!


You just don't need it m8.

I used to do tri-escalations with 2 moros, 1 archon 2 lokis. Just warped in everything at the same time and blasted through the site in 5 minutes. NBD.

Stopped doing that quick though because multiboxing all that stuff is the worst. I like to stick to ezmode double escalations now personally. 0 effort, I literally just play hearthstone while I do them.

Also Keith, I'll try to get around one day to doing a quad escalation in 5 minutes with 3 or less dreads and fraps it. No promises though because ~effort~ and i cba to carebear if i don't have to.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#36 - 2014-05-06 03:26:48 UTC
I don't have video of me with all your mothers. I'd go around and make sweet love with them all again but ~effort~

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#37 - 2014-05-06 03:47:30 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Senn Denroth wrote:
Wait, you guys still use two siege cycles?
- 1 respect

im sorry, we clearly don't bear enough to be uber-leet PVEers like you.

it also makes zero difference if it takes 1,2 or 3 siege cycles given the limited nature of home sites.
the only time to care at all how long it takes is on carebear expo where you should be min/maxing your process.
i'd rather semi afk the sites in 3 cycles than blitz them in 1 and have to pay attention every time.

Personally I haven't really run sites in about a year. The only time I participated was when people in corp needed some pilot slots filled.

PS: if you're using rev as first dread, i got some bad news for you son...


Hey Jack, nope no Rev's in our pulsar, unless you're talking to someone else..

Think everyone loves to get sites done sooner rather than a lot later, more time for pew pew, except you it seems :P

So yea, not uber bear lords. Just like to be efficient to spend more time on other more important things.
Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#38 - 2014-05-06 04:05:35 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Theoretically if you are going to go full riitard on sperging dreads into sites, why bring a loki at all?

[Phoenix, Wolf Raywhut?]
snip


Webs on that are pointless. Even with perfect boosts you don't even get 20kms. You will never web a sleeper with them. There is a reason Lokis/Rapiers/Huggins get used, and it's the web range bonus.

Keith Planck wrote:
Please post a video of you doing a site with 3 dreads in one cycle and I will believe you.


As I explained in your reddit post on this matter, I no longer have access to the characters I used to do this. I haven't ran a site since... November?-ish? I quite simply can't make the video you're asking for. I also sold all my caps, except for a single Thanatos and a Revelation.

However, since I'm not the only one in that thread telling you this can be done, and since there are some things you apparently don't know about sleepers and fits to do it, will you allow that perhaps I might be right?

Also, you have access (I assume) to the characters and ships required to do this. Jack Miton is in your corp, I assume he knows a thing or two about Sleepers, since he wrote the only real guide on doing it.

Don't take my word for it, go test it.



I know ALOT about sleepers, I know you can warp to 0 on the spawns, and blap alot of the battleships before they get in web range. I know you can literally start the site with no tank on and swap when you take aggro. I know about bait boats and TP boats exactly how many tracking computers and sebos is overkill.

What I don't understand is how 5 dreads with T2 siege, plenty of sebos and no tank, can't manage to do a site in one cycle (with a loki) but you claim to do it with 3 dreads with **** skills. There is clearly a MASSIVE trick I have yet to learn about sleepers.

♞
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-05-06 04:37:38 UTC
Bronya Boga wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
Van Steiza wrote:
So erm guys the Phoenix is getting a buff.. it will no longer be crap ;) ;) ;) ;).

Catch up!

It'll be even more like a Chimmy now :)

Great Bobs beard! Im in the same corp as you? Bob save me

Oh god they let you in?? I said NO to sith, not yes!!
JK, welcome aboard ;)

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#40 - 2014-05-06 04:49:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
Keith Planck wrote:



I know ALOT about sleepers, I know you can warp to 0 on the spawns, and blap alot of the battleships before they get in web range. I know you can literally start the site with no tank on and swap when you take aggro. I know about bait boats and TP boats exactly how many tracking computers and sebos is overkill.

What I don't understand is how 5 dreads with T2 siege, plenty of sebos and no tank, can't manage to do a site in one cycle (with a loki) but you claim to do it with 3 dreads with **** skills. There is clearly a MASSIVE trick I have yet to learn about sleepers.


You play with **** players? Also I wasn't joking when I said you were the worst PVE theorycrafting..., you sound like you don't know jack.

Look, even if you just look at theory, we know that each sleepless guardian has 255,000 ehp, and each of your moroses will be doing about 16000dps, and you have 3, that means that you do 48,000 dps in the site. (honestly it's more like 51,000 since a proper fit moros has very close to 17,000dps, but we'll err on the side of caution here.)

28 sleepless guardians have a combined ehp of 7,140,000 ehp. You can get through this much ehp with 48,000dps in 148.75 seconds. That's 2.5 minutes. Obviously that doesn't happen, because you have to factor in lock time and lag time between weapon shots, and some over-shooting of targets even with unstacked guns, but it doesn't take more than 2.5 minutes of extra time there.

Edit: I also hope you realize you need more than one loki for 3+ dreads if you actually want to apply your dps in full capacity.

Edit2: As further evidence, I will point you towards this video I posted a while back of me doing a 6 BS cap escalation solo in my dread. The point was just to show how to do it, but you'll also notice that I finish the 6 BS in exactly half my siege cycle (2.5 minutes). That is with one only ONE sebo. I normally do the double escalation easily in ~4-4.5 minutes, since i don't have to spend time wasted locking the second wave. Therefore, two dreads should be able to kill all 4 waves in 5 minutes as well in theory. You have 4 extra BS from the second two waves, but if you're quick im sure it's doable (though I haven't tried without lokis). THREE dreads DEFINITELY can do it.

I have no idea what you're doing wrong, but you clearly don't know as much as you seem to believe if you can't fathom how this is possible.

Edit3: If you want to pay me, I can come run your sites alongside you and show you how to do it (see what I'm doing here?), lol