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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#181 - 2014-05-05 16:08:47 UTC
I Have 18Accounts wrote:
This battle in your minds where all us "pubbies" gather around plotting for your destruction is just that; a battle in your minds.

I specifically stated that you are neither willing nor able to "plot" - did you read my post?

If you're denying there's lots of anti-goon hatred on here, and elsewhere, let me know how many examples I need to quote. You would have to have some serious reading comprehension issues to have not seen them before, mind.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#182 - 2014-05-05 16:20:26 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


The cartels and their dev's have been bleeding high sec dry for years no, bit by bit, drop by drop. First shot that I can remember is how soundwave wrecked agent RP, but there were likely ones before that. And remember, CCP can't afford a "headshot" to high sec, not until they think the demographics change a lot more, and enough people have migrated to null sec to keep the lights on when the killer blow does hammer down on high sec.



ahh, CCP had to seriously nerf null (namely tech), in order to begin the process of making null more useful as living space than as buffer for a mewn.

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So what we have is a little bit more impoverishment of high sec, a little more enrichment of null sec, every major release, and now, it will be every 6 weeks. If the propaganda is to be believed (which it is not), the typical casual high sec player only hangs around in high sec 7 months before they quit or move to null / wormholes or even low. That means the baseline of expectations of what high sec should be keeps degrading, as a new crop of high sec players show up with no memory of the losses high sec has incurred.



Remind when I go to nullsec to farm me mah very own stratio.... oh wait I can get that in highsec, no risk required. wonder what that did for LP value eh ?

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It is abundantly clear that the cartel leaders have directed CCP to give up on that 7 month casual player that won't ever move to null sec. CCP has been convinced that there will always be enough new grist for the mill that will sub up for 6 or 7 months out of curiosity after reading about some epic battle (hey CCP, I see that the huge spike in player activity dropped away real fast), and a flow of disposable subscriptions will continue at a steady pace, regardless of how much high sec is a wasteland.



Bearing in mind I'm a completely dedicated PVE pilot, PVP is in fact a lot of fun. Amusingly I enjoyed killing a buzzard last week pretty much as much as I enjoyed getting the a-type invuln, a-type booster combo drop from a ded plex and pretty much as much as I enjoyed defeating the maze first time up. Particularly because I squeezed the hunt and kill inbetween work and volleyball, and spent quite a bit of duty night chuckling over it

note that on the flipside, I am a far better "E" than a computer, and that is despite the fact that realistically I am not actually a good PVPer. I did however learn from my first encounters the order of stuff that needs to get done to get a kill on a really bad opponent.

Making people into ingame ninjas is about the best thing CCP can do to give them the future ability to avoid fights, and to pick and choose their fights and thus find winnable fights (ie I'm at I think 12 for 0 losses out here right now).

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That logic is of course, utterly insane, but CCP's actions clearly demonstrate that is their opinion of high sec players.

So yeah, if you look at the CSM in that context, they are highly effective, at least the cartel portion, which is the overwhelming majority again in the latest iteration.



No its actually a bitter truth that it costs money to get subs from wherever CCP gets subs from, and that a 2 year sub is worth a lot more in profit than a 6 month sub, because the 4 highsec players required as alternatives, will have 4x the acquisition costs.

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So, the next 4 or 5 mini-releases:

1. Tweaking all the new levers with this industry overhaul in order to not break the economy, but allow for an orderly transition of the vast vast majority of the high sec industrial wealth to null sec.
2. Some slight tweaks to sov mechanics, but pretty much cosmetic.
3. T2 invention wrecked for high sec as industry just was.
4. And then, the next body blow to high sec, Incursion and mission income hammered in some way. I always believed it would just be some across the board nerf to bounties, but I see now that it will be more insidious. More like the removal of all loot from missions, and the buffing of the Incursion rats, making the sites take longer to finish.

Oh yes, and I must not forget POS's. When null sec industry gets really geared up, which will take at least a couple months to happen, if the cartels feel that POS's can play a large role in that industry, then POS mechanics will get some love. If it remains high sec, low sec, and wh's complaining about POS mechanics, nothing serious will be done "because it's hard".

Notice I say nothing about serious sov mechanics nor force projection. The cartels will likely want a quiet summer, maybe even the fall, so no major changes there. That being said, CCP is now leaning on the cartels to provide even larger amounts of publicity on a regular basis to provide that high sec grist I spoke of earlier. So the cartels will have to arrange some kind of big event , likely near the end of summer, early fall, as the effects of the high sec casual industrial player exiting the game really start to show up in the sub numbers.

That is the beauty of the whole CCP subscription mechanics and the cartel's plans. Because of multi-month subs, any game mechanic change that drives people from the game is lagged and spread over time, so the cartels can obfuscate the real impact a game mechanic change had on the sub base.

By the time the next set of subscription numbers are released, so many things will have changed, the cartels and CCP can state any number of factors drove the subscription changes.


bleargh subs are confounded with so many things its not funny.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#183 - 2014-05-05 16:23:11 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

oh, go easy on him, he's clearly just finished "Shock Doctrine".


Naomi Kline is quite the insightful writer.
I could not finish the book some years ago, I was going to throw it against the wall when incident heinous act after heinous act by the corporatists was detailed.

This is what it all boils down to.
On one side we have the libertarians, who adore Eve because it is their twisted vision of what their real world utopia is.
On the other side, you have the sane, moral, compassionate people, who are horrified by the distillation into a game of all that is wrong with humanity.
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#184 - 2014-05-05 16:24:14 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
a mewn.


*mune

"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal

Josef Djugashvilis
#185 - 2014-05-05 16:24:36 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
I Have 18Accounts wrote:
This battle in your minds where all us "pubbies" gather around plotting for your destruction is just that; a battle in your minds.

I specifically stated that you are neither willing nor able to "plot" - did you read my post?

If you're denying there's lots of anti-goon hatred on here, and elsewhere, let me know how many examples I need to quote. You would have to have some serious reading comprehension issues to have not seen them before, mind.


Try not to mistake laughing at goons in the forums with goons for anti-goon hatred.

Still, if you want to think folk hate the goons, don't let me stop you.

This is not a signature.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#186 - 2014-05-05 16:26:53 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

On one side we have the libertarians, who adore Eve because it is their twisted vision of what their real world utopia is.
On the other side, you have the sane, moral, compassionate people, who are horrified by the distillation into a game of all that is wrong with humanity.


Yeah, personal freedom is just so evil, am I right?

Or should we only have the freedom to choose if we choose correctly?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#187 - 2014-05-05 16:27:15 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

This is what it all boils down to.
On one side we have the libertarians, who adore Eve because it is their twisted vision of what their real world utopia is.
On the other side, you have the sane, moral, compassionate people, who are horrified by the distillation into a game of all that is wrong with humanity.


it is sew obverous aye dunno wye annywun cude dissagrey

i wisxh dinsday parasol wude run four cee ess emm butt i kno teh carttles wud bloch him if hee tryd

butt he is write, yoo shud knot deny teh obverse even iff its funnie two

"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#188 - 2014-05-05 16:31:23 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
I Have 18Accounts wrote:
This battle in your minds where all us "pubbies" gather around plotting for your destruction is just that; a battle in your minds.

I specifically stated that you are neither willing nor able to "plot" - did you read my post?

If you're denying there's lots of anti-goon hatred on here, and elsewhere, let me know how many examples I need to quote. You would have to have some serious reading comprehension issues to have not seen them before, mind.


Try not to mistake laughing at goons in the forums with goons for anti-goon hatred.

Still, if you want to think folk hate the goons, don't let me stop you.


Duuuuuuuuuude. You were meant to reply with the other alt. Now everyone can see your "+1 to this guy!" post was yourself.

This is pretty awkward now.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Josef Djugashvilis
#189 - 2014-05-05 16:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Edit.

Deleted my boring post

This is not a signature.

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#190 - 2014-05-05 16:47:46 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

On one side we have the libertarians, who adore Eve because it is their twisted vision of what their real world utopia is.
On the other side, you have the sane, moral, compassionate people, who are horrified by the distillation into a game of all that is wrong with humanity.


Yeah, personal freedom is just so evil, am I right?

Or should we only have the freedom to choose if we choose correctly?


Ah, spoken like a true Randian.
Dave Stark
#191 - 2014-05-05 16:50:45 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

On one side we have the libertarians, who adore Eve because it is their twisted vision of what their real world utopia is.
On the other side, you have the sane, moral, compassionate people, who are horrified by the distillation into a game of all that is wrong with humanity.


Yeah, personal freedom is just so evil, am I right?

Or should we only have the freedom to choose if we choose correctly?


Ah, spoken like a true Randian.


gevlon has students?
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#192 - 2014-05-05 16:57:37 UTC
Dinsdale Piranha wrote:
More like the removal of all loot from missions, and the buffing of the Incursion rats, making the sites take longer to finish.


these are pretty good suggestions mate

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2014-05-05 16:58:05 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I count two Low Sec reps. It's about as good as we were going to get.

That's better than the griefer community got. I hope DJ FunkyBacon does a decent job of representing us even if he isn't a high sec candidate.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#194 - 2014-05-05 17:11:59 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:
Dinsdale Piranha wrote:
More like the removal of all loot from missions, and the buffing of the Incursion rats, making the sites take longer to finish.


these are pretty good suggestions mate



It is not like I am giving the CSM ideas. These directives, and more, have already delivered to the CCP dev's.
Like I have said before, every pilot generating PvE income in high sec is someone not paying a tithe to the cartel leaders, and they can't have that.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#195 - 2014-05-05 17:22:23 UTC
Wow, I didn't know 'tithe' was English word for that "pay your master 1/10th of your earnings" thing. Live and learn, live and learn...

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Winchester Steele
#196 - 2014-05-05 17:27:53 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
King Fu Hostile wrote:
Dinsdale Piranha wrote:
More like the removal of all loot from missions, and the buffing of the Incursion rats, making the sites take longer to finish.


these are pretty good suggestions mate



It is not like I am giving the CSM ideas. These directives, and more, have already delivered to the CCP dev's.
Like I have said before, every pilot generating PvE income in high sec is someone not paying a tithe to the cartel leaders, and they can't have that.



Dinsdale Pirannha for CSM 10!

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Dr Techenstein Techsalt
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#197 - 2014-05-05 17:29:26 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Probably because the hi-sec wails are drowned out by the constant wailing about hi-sec from Jenn Awhine, Baltec 1 and La Nariz , oh, and that Kaarous person. Smile


Most of the stuff we point out as being broken is being fixedBlink

Democracy works.


Sometimes Shocked

60% of the time, it works 100% of the time.


And that's still only 20%

Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics

Eve legion ftw

Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#198 - 2014-05-05 17:30:00 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Wow, I didn't know 'tithe' was English word for that "pay your master 1/10th of your earnings" thing. Live and learn, live and learn...
Technically the Goons tax rates are actually a tithe and a half, as they're set at 15%.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#199 - 2014-05-05 17:33:43 UTC
Jaxon Grylls wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We talk to people the same way they talk to us.

Then claim the moral high ground and refuse to indulge in such activities.

Or could it be that you really enjoy all the angst and dislike?

Just like Millwall football club supporters.

They have a chant "Everybody hates us, we don't care."

I suspect that deep down they do care. Same with you.


We care about this game to shoot down all of the terrible ideas some people have.
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#200 - 2014-05-05 17:37:41 UTC
I know there is no 'Grand Anti-Goon Pubbie Conspiracy' because literally anyone capable of doing it is either in the CFC or trying not to invite our attention

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them