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[Proposal] Get CCP to scale back the HiSec PI Customs Taxes
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Hamoi Jane
Ponzi Fiduciary Trust Group
#1 - 2011-12-02 17:49:07 UTC
Prices of PI commodites have increased considerably since Crucible introduced the tremendous increase in import and export taxes. This runaway inflation will eventually affect many other aspects of Eve.

Recommend the taxes be cut in half and the CSM monitor the situation and be empowered to order adjustment in the rates as needed to keep the economy moving. (Interesting how this issue follows RL developments with various economic situations)

This could be a quarterly review to start.

One other idea to mitigate would be to significantly increase the storage capacity of the control center, perhaps to 50,000 m3. This would allow a way to bypass taxes on the outbound launches and would reduce the amount of time needed to operate a PI complex. Would not solve the problem of import taxes, but there are ways around that.

Thanks for reading / fly safe
thetwilitehour
Caldari Provisions
#2 - 2011-12-02 18:26:15 UTC
This has to be a troll. Are you serious? If the CSM was able to adjust the taxes on high sec PI they'd increase them. You know the CSM is packed with 0.0 delegates right?
Hamoi Jane
Ponzi Fiduciary Trust Group
#3 - 2011-12-02 18:36:21 UTC
not a troll, simplt unaware of any 0.0 bias of CSM. Thought they represented all of us with equal vigor.

so maybe plan b is best, increase capacity of the control center.
Goose99
#4 - 2011-12-02 19:16:12 UTC
See? This is why you don't sink SP into new "features." You don't know when CCP will remove that "feature" for everyone except 6% of the playerbase whose subscription they deem superior than yours for some reason.Bear

This is why Eve has 350k subs after 8 years, half of them alts the other half bots.Big smile
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#5 - 2011-12-02 19:25:59 UTC
No

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
thetwilitehour
Caldari Provisions
#6 - 2011-12-02 19:50:06 UTC
Hamoi Jane wrote:
not a troll, simplt unaware of any 0.0 bias of CSM. Thought they represented all of us with equal vigor.

so maybe plan b is best, increase capacity of the control center.


Actually the best plan would probably be for you to think about the game in a holistic way, rather than what impact any given chance has on your income. Then again, you could just escape the bonds of empire, and fly free in 0.0 space.

Also you don't really know anything about economics, so please don't try to pretend like an increase in PI costs via taxation is going to create runaway inflation. It's merely going to shift the market a bit. In part because Eve basically can't sustain a futures market due to trust issues, there's not going to speculation driven spikes in commodities prices, so equilibrium will be reestablished quickly where PI production is moved to places with lower taxes aka low sec or null sec.

It's almost like that was the intent of the change - to remove another zero risk isk faucet, and move production of PI to places where players can interact with each other, through space boat violence.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#7 - 2011-12-02 21:53:30 UTC
No. Move to lowsec.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-02 23:49:57 UTC
Go an d do hisec incursions for 10 minutes.. that should cover your months PI taxes.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-12-03 01:59:08 UTC
You do realise that I'm making more doing PI now, after the tax increase than before, right. Please QQ more and quit, because you can't do math right.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#10 - 2011-12-03 04:32:42 UTC
One of the better proposals to come out of this has been that the tax might be reduced by a combination of skills and standings, as the other in game isk sinks are. I think that this is the best overall way that players might have their cake and eat it too.

And, while I'm making a killing on this, I can see how it will be bad in the long run.
Tahna Rouspel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-12-03 06:07:31 UTC
@ Hamoi

If you do your homework and follow the market price, you'll notice that the PI price have gone up in price to the point where it's more profitable than before. POS owners will be the one to swallow the cost, and most of those belong to wealthy corps in null sec.

Not only that, but this acts as isk sink for the game; a major one. This means there won't be as much inflation - the little guys win.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#12 - 2011-12-03 06:28:32 UTC
The problem is that it's driving the T2 market through the roof, which damages the game in the long run by discouraging new players.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-12-03 14:03:26 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
The problem is that it's driving the T2 market through the roof, which damages the game in the long run by discouraging new players.


Since new players can't use most T2 modules to begin with, this encourages the use of the meta named items more. This will encourage the use of lower level meta items even more. Instead of their value being the scrap value of the minerals they contain, they will be sold and used. This is also desirable, and encourages new players to fly what they can afford.

Since T2 prices are going to go "through the roof" as you say, you mean that people owning towers will be better able to pay for the fuel with their profits?

Please quit, because you can't do math.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-12-03 14:50:25 UTC
thetwilitehour wrote:
Also you don't really know anything about economics


thetwilitehour wrote:
there's not going to speculation driven spikes in commodities prices


I'm sorry, did you just say someone knows nothing about economics in EVE and then say that we don't get speculation spikes in EVE?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#15 - 2011-12-03 17:25:31 UTC
Move to lowsec

Or do some diplomacy and get soem blues in lowsec who have PI offices.

Or just pay the taxes, if I am reading this correctly it's 10% of market value (before the market speculation price spike, which by the way you guys caused by whining on these very forums) So if you make a PI thing that costs 1,000,000 isk on market 10% of that is 100,000 isk, you still make 900,000 isk.

Honestly this change is breathing life into lowsec which is amazing. And I'd bet with your market speculation price spike, even with the concord taxes, you are probably making more profit per unit.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
Sir Patrick Moore
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-12-03 17:29:11 UTC
Speaking as someone who is a well known authority on planets and space, I would usually try to see the proposal from the OP's point of view, however I have found that it is impossible for myself to place my head up his bottom as well.
As a result I will be unable to support his position on this subject and instead push for an increasing of the base rate of tax in high sec to 20%, so to provide some incentive to utilize the Low sec Interbus custom office installations.

Sir Patrick Moore CBE, FRS, FRAS Hon. Vice President of the Royal Astronomical Society
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#17 - 2011-12-03 17:44:54 UTC
Sir Patrick Moore wrote:
provide some incentive to utilize the Low sec Interbus custom office installations.

Or blow them up and build their own.

BTW I was skeptical when he said he was an authority on planets and space until I saw his monocle. That's all the proof I need.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#18 - 2011-12-03 18:49:32 UTC
No.

Less people doing PI = awesome for my profits.

Grow some balls, setup your own pocos, in 0.0 or whs, defend em and pay less tax for more isk.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-12-03 19:13:07 UTC
No the reasons people are complaining are good things. Move to lowsec and stop crying

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-12-03 21:56:36 UTC
More risk, more reward; no risk, crappy reward.

The fundamental principle of EVE.

~hi~
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