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If we don't communicate down on your level you won't understand what we're saying.

That is an awful lot of butthurt from one guy.


Hmm, in fact it's a suspicious amount of butt hurt.....

*Sets internet to record and initiates 'Detective' voice*

So, Mr Djugashvilis, where were you on the weekend of 3 May 2014? And that gray stuff near your wrist..... is that Icelandic Monument dust on your sleeve?

We have our own forums for having intelligent discourse. When we come somewhere where 90% of the audience/posters are screaming man-babies hoping if they squeal enough they will get their own way, at the expense of the rest of the people in the game, we treat them in the manner that is deserving.

Also, to be honest, a lot of GSF posters are just going to rile you up because it highlights how impotent you are to do anything about it.
You would think that the lesson you might take from GSF's history is that if you believe in yourself and organise well, you can rise up to supplant the super-powers in Eve. Somehow, the grrrGOONS brigade have taken to just looking at the status quo and then cry and stamp their feet and ask for CCP to do something about it.
It's fun to point out they're screwing themselves over and then crying about it.

I mean look at Josef here, months and months (if not years) of whining and wailing on the forums about Goons/nullsec, and has never done anything about it.

Trolling the forums is actually against the TOS and EULA. CCP simply doesn't enforce the rules. There is nothing anyone else can do about that, really.

If you're talking about opposing you guys in game... the word that comes to mind is propaganda. That is the propaganda Goons spread that the rest of the EVE community hates them. I'm not sure what the motivation for it is... but let me be one of the first to say: Most of the community doesn't hate Goons or want them gone.

This battle in your minds where all us "pubbies" gather around plotting for your destruction is just that; a battle in your minds.

I think you will find when the dust settles on the last set of changes, and factoring in what will happen to T2 invention in the fall if gets the same kind of treatment, that the cartels have been highly effective.

Remember, their campaign on high sec is like a null sec sov campaign. Even after a headshot, there is a ton of fighting unless the losers just cave in and quit. And high sec subscribers have not reached that point yet, at least not the bulk yet.

goons start all wars like that, expecting a grind, trying to make the game as much "unfun" as they can.

The cartels and their dev's have been bleeding high sec dry for years no, bit by bit, drop by drop. First shot that I can remember is how soundwave wrecked agent RP, but there were likely ones before that. And remember, CCP can't afford a "headshot" to high sec, not until they think the demographics change a lot more, and enough people have migrated to null sec to keep the lights on when the killer blow does hammer down on high sec.

So what we have is a little bit more impoverishment of high sec, a little more enrichment of null sec, every major release, and now, it will be every 6 weeks. If the propaganda is to be believed (which it is not), the typical casual high sec player only hangs around in high sec 7 months before they quit or move to null / wormholes or even low. That means the baseline of expectations of what high sec should be keeps degrading, as a new crop of high sec players show up with no memory of the losses high sec has incurred.

It is abundantly clear that the cartel leaders have directed CCP to give up on that 7 month casual player that won't ever move to null sec. CCP has been convinced that there will always be enough new grist for the mill that will sub up for 6 or 7 months out of curiosity after reading about some epic battle (hey CCP, I see that the huge spike in player activity dropped away real fast), and a flow of disposable subscriptions will continue at a steady pace, regardless of how much high sec is a wasteland.

That logic is of course, utterly insane, but CCP's actions clearly demonstrate that is their opinion of high sec players.

So yeah, if you look at the CSM in that context, they are highly effective, at least the cartel portion, which is the overwhelming majority again in the latest iteration.

So, the next 4 or 5 mini-releases:

1. Tweaking all the new levers with this industry overhaul in order to not break the economy, but allow for an orderly transition of the vast vast majority of the high sec industrial wealth to null sec.
2. Some slight tweaks to sov mechanics, but pretty much cosmetic.
3. T2 invention wrecked for high sec as industry just was.
4. And then, the next body blow to high sec, Incursion and mission income hammered in some way. I always believed it would just be some across the board nerf to bounties, but I see now that it will be more insidious. More like the removal of all loot from missions, and the buffing of the Incursion rats, making the sites take longer to finish.

Oh yes, and I must not forget POS's. When null sec industry gets really geared up, which will take at least a couple months to happen, if the cartels feel that POS's can play a large role in that industry, then POS mechanics will get some love. If it remains high sec, low sec, and wh's complaining about POS mechanics, nothing serious will be done "because it's hard".

Notice I say nothing about serious sov mechanics nor force projection. The cartels will likely want a quiet summer, maybe even the fall, so no major changes there. That being said, CCP is now leaning on the cartels to provide even larger amounts of publicity on a regular basis to provide that high sec grist I spoke of earlier. So the cartels will have to arrange some kind of big event , likely near the end of summer, early fall, as the effects of the high sec casual industrial player exiting the game really start to show up in the sub numbers.

That is the beauty of the whole CCP subscription mechanics and the cartel's plans. Because of multi-month subs, any game mechanic change that drives people from the game is lagged and spread over time, so the cartels can obfuscate the real impact a game mechanic change had on the sub base.

By the time the next set of subscription numbers are released, so many things will have changed, the cartels and CCP can state any number of factors drove the subscription changes.

Never stop posting. Maybe you should write for the Eve Onion?

Preach on, brother, preach on. Continue to rail on, despite the daily two minutes of hate that you have to endure from these spoon-fed goons. Your truthiness will lead us all to the light.

Already, your inspired posting has got portions of high sec all in a tizzy over those damn enemies of high sec . . . ebil null bears. The future is now! A Thousand Points of Light! A Line In The Sand!

In conclusion, if I may be so bold (and if you take requests) could you PLEASE give us a simple post that explains why the upcoming release of Legion is also a nerf to high sec?

I'm out of tea and coffee right now,
but this thread is hilarious in its own way.

Thanks!

oh, go easy on him, he's clearly just finished "Shock Doctrine".

I am quite happy the Ali Arias got in again, as she seemed competent last year.

Also good to see Steve get in as I voted for him myself.

The rest, they will need to prove themselves worthy.