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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#21 - 2014-05-05 13:04:45 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would suggest that rather than make it a subscription based game, that they simply make it ten bucks to play it.

A pay wall is almost as good as a subscription for keeping out the riffraff.


If that happened, then CCP would still have to rely on microtransactions to make the game profitable.
I thought we were against most forms of microtransactions here?

er, plex....


Oh, pish-posh.... that game time that can be sold on the ingame market. Doesn't even count.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

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Doreen Kaundur
#22 - 2014-05-05 13:06:23 UTC
Speaking of quick observations, anyone here ever notice how hookers dont like to cuddle?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#23 - 2014-05-05 13:06:30 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
making legion subscription based is the fastest way to get me not to try it.


I would like to think those of us with EvE accounts would get a by-ball on paying.

Also, I can say Id rather not see any firearms, gear or armour that are only available with cash, aurum or plex.

That would grind my gears.


They've actually done a pretty good job of balancing that.
Yes, you can access "proto" quality suits and weapons, earlier through AUR transactions.... but they take up almost twice the PG/CPU, so you nerf the crap out of yourself when you fit one. It completely circumvents "pay-to-win".... in an absolutely brilliant way, might I add.


I approve of that product or cervix

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#24 - 2014-05-05 13:06:37 UTC
Aspalis wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Is it safe to say that the drama and ragebile-spewing on the DUST forums is proof-positive of why you don't make F2P games?
Please make Legion a subscription-based MMO, so we don't run into this problem anymore.


I think the better approach would be to have Legion as a F2P game with the option of a subscription that offers you enough incentives for you to cough up the monthly fee. Pretty much what Planetside 2 is doing now.

Edit: Alternatively allow us to pay for it monthly with PLEX.



Oh, gods.... that's the old "F2P" model. Penny Arcade roasted that practice with a rather scathing comic about the differences between paid subscriber and free player.... not many people do it anymore, after that.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#25 - 2014-05-05 13:08:00 UTC
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Speaking of quick observations, anyone here ever notice how hookers dont like to cuddle?


Oh, they don't mind it at all.... it just costs extra. Same goes for kissing.

Did you forget what city I live in?

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-05-05 13:08:13 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would suggest that rather than make it a subscription based game, that they simply make it ten bucks to play it.

A pay wall is almost as good as a subscription for keeping out the riffraff.


If that happened, then CCP would still have to rely on microtransactions to make the game profitable.
I thought we were against most forms of microtransactions here?

er, plex....


Oh, pish-posh.... that game time that can be sold on the ingame market. Doesn't even count.


Ship skins? And I don't see any reasons why CCP would not do the same for Valkyrie or Legion.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#27 - 2014-05-05 13:08:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Speaking of quick observations, anyone here ever notice how hookers dont like to cuddle?


They do when they are unconcious and/or immobilised

or "webbed" and "neuted"

as I like to call it

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#28 - 2014-05-05 13:09:59 UTC
Which city is that? So I would know which city I should avoid, you know...

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2014-05-05 13:10:20 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Speaking of quick observations, anyone here ever notice how hookers dont like to cuddle?


They do when they are unconcious and/or immobilised

or "webbed" and "neuted"

as I like to call it

this got dark quicker than usualShocked

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#30 - 2014-05-05 13:12:04 UTC
Aspalis wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would suggest that rather than make it a subscription based game, that they simply make it ten bucks to play it.

A pay wall is almost as good as a subscription for keeping out the riffraff.


If that happened, then CCP would still have to rely on microtransactions to make the game profitable.
I thought we were against most forms of microtransactions here?

er, plex....


Oh, pish-posh.... that game time that can be sold on the ingame market. Doesn't even count.


Ship skins? And I don't see any reasons why CCP would not do the same for Valkyrie or Legion.


I really think ship skins should move completely out of the AUR market and go straight up microtransaction. I will pay 25 cents per Comet to have my Woop-Woop police lights.... I'd also pay 75 cents per Ferox to have my damn Guristas or Mordu's paintjob if/when CCP gets tired of hearing me beg for it and gives it to us.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#31 - 2014-05-05 13:13:00 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Which city is that? So I would know which city I should avoid, you know...


If you're planning on going to EVE Vegas, you might want to reconsider, then.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#32 - 2014-05-05 13:13:09 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Speaking of quick observations, anyone here ever notice how hookers dont like to cuddle?


They do when they are unconcious and/or immobilised

or "webbed" and "neuted"

as I like to call it

this got dark quicker than usualShocked


I got a wardec last night

My mind goes there when that happens a lot quicker

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#33 - 2014-05-05 13:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Speaking of quick observations, anyone here ever notice how hookers dont like to cuddle?


They do when they are unconcious and/or immobilised

or "webbed" and "neuted"

as I like to call it

this got dark quicker than usualShocked


I got a wardec last night

My mind goes there when that happens a lot quicker


If Ramona had been a character in the Harry Potter books, instead of someone's EVE toon, she'd have probably been one of the first non-villains to bust out the dark arts.

Garamonde would have been the drunken ex-quidditch star shouting at first-years in Diagon Alley.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-05-05 13:17:54 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Aspalis wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Is it safe to say that the drama and ragebile-spewing on the DUST forums is proof-positive of why you don't make F2P games?
Please make Legion a subscription-based MMO, so we don't run into this problem anymore.


I think the better approach would be to have Legion as a F2P game with the option of a subscription that offers you enough incentives for you to cough up the monthly fee. Pretty much what Planetside 2 is doing now.

Edit: Alternatively allow us to pay for it monthly with PLEX.



Oh, gods.... that's the old "F2P" model. Penny Arcade roasted that practice with a rather scathing comic about the differences between paid subscriber and free player.... not many people do it anymore, after that.


Wargaming uses that business model for World of Tanks and continues to be highly successful, Gaijin Entertainment does the same with Star Conflict and War Thunder and I am sure that there are others that use that as their business model and who are successful.

If your game uses a F2P model, not only do you open the doors to a lot of gamers, you also provide a body count for people to have matches and so forth. Putting that behind a subscription wall would limit that significantly.

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Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-05-05 13:17:56 UTC
Confirming PLEX is not a microtransaction that permeates almost every aspect of this game and finds new uses almost every expansion. Roll

The issue isn't that DUST is F2P, the issue is that CCP's 'laser focus' on DUST and the PS3, (and, it was assumed, eventually the PS4) ended up with console players having their game taken from them. A big part of the issue is also that players went to Iceland to find out about DUST and got exactly zero information about the future of DUST.

The issue isn't with age, either. I doubt Ralph has any kind of numbers to back up his claim, but my experience playing DUST has been with guys in their early 30s. The youngest was 22.

And you think these forums at their worst aren't comparable to DUST right now? Incarna something something WiS blahblah $1,000 pants or something like that. It's great that our tight knit lovable community gives the console guys on DUST the finger so quickly. That'll teach those monkeys to play games on anything less than a PC!

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#36 - 2014-05-05 13:18:08 UTC
If they bother updating it often enough, 5 bucks a month would not be half bad, I agree.

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Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-05-05 13:21:11 UTC
F2P is one of the many cancers of our beloved gaming industry.
Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC
The Legends In The Game
#38 - 2014-05-05 13:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidyk
It would be wrong as an EVE player to pay subs for two games at once from the same company. But any player that plays a CCP game should pay one but only ONE sub, not two. It could be easily done for all games, that the sub would pay for your account rather than a single game.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#39 - 2014-05-05 13:22:39 UTC
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
Confirming PLEX is not a microtransaction that permeates almost every aspect of this game and finds new uses almost every expansion. Roll

The issue isn't that DUST is F2P, the issue is that CCP's 'laser focus' on DUST and the PS3, (and, it was assumed, eventually the PS4) ended up with console players having their game taken from them. A big part of the issue is also that players went to Iceland to find out about DUST and got exactly zero information about the future of DUST.

The issue isn't with age, either. I doubt Ralph has any kind of numbers to back up his claim, but my experience playing DUST has been with guys in their early 30s. The youngest was 22.

And you think these forums at their worst aren't comparable to DUST right now? Incarna something something WiS blahblah $1,000 pants or something like that. It's great that our tight knit lovable community gives the console guys on DUST the finger so quickly. That'll teach those monkeys to play games on anything less than a PC!


Yes, I was there™ during Summer of Rage. It was nowhere near that bad.

As for that "had their game taken away".... I am still completely refusing to believe that all those DUSTbunnies don't own a PC. I just plain don't believe it. Anyone who can afford a console can afford a PC. It makes no sense to pay for an internet connection to just play console games and have Netflix.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#40 - 2014-05-05 13:23:00 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:

If Ramona had been a character in the Harry Potter books, instead of someone's EVE toon, she'd have probably been one of the first non-villains to bust out the dark arts.

Garamonde would have been the drunken ex-quidditch star shouting at first-years in Diagon Alley.


Aww thats so sweet of you to say Smile

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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann