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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#1 - 2014-05-05 12:30:35 UTC
Is it safe to say that the drama and ragebile-spewing on the DUST forums is proof-positive of why you don't make F2P games?
Please make Legion a subscription-based MMO, so we don't run into this problem anymore.
I'm seriously never going to complain about the EVE forums again, after this weekend. Even at our absolute worst, we're nowhere near that bad.
I'm not even gonna get mad when blokes complain about the gifts, anymore.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Doreen Kaundur
#2 - 2014-05-05 12:32:24 UTC
I ususally leave games when they turn F2P.

I hate the cash shops constantly in my face.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#3 - 2014-05-05 12:33:21 UTC
Agreed.

At least if its on PC then a lot more people will give it a try.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Dave Stark
#4 - 2014-05-05 12:34:05 UTC
making legion subscription based is the fastest way to get me not to try it.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2014-05-05 12:34:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Is it safe to say that the drama and ragebile-spewing on the DUST forums is proof-positive of why you don't make F2P games?
Please make Legion a subscription-based MMO, so we don't run into this problem anymore.
I'm seriously never going to complain about the EVE forums again, after this weekend. Even at our absolute worst, we're nowhere near that bad.
I'm not even gonna get mad when blokes complain about the gifts, anymore.

the issue with the dust bunnies is age, not bank related. moving to pc will help with this.


on a related note, see my sig

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-05-05 12:38:31 UTC
EVE is subscription based and you still get plenty of dribble, flaming, and trolling on these forums.

I'm most worried about the microtransactions that are pretty much always a part F2P games.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#7 - 2014-05-05 12:40:24 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Is it safe to say that the drama and ragebile-spewing on the DUST forums is proof-positive of why you don't make F2P games?
Please make Legion a subscription-based MMO, so we don't run into this problem anymore.
I'm seriously never going to complain about the EVE forums again, after this weekend. Even at our absolute worst, we're nowhere near that bad.
I'm not even gonna get mad when blokes complain about the gifts, anymore.

the issue with the dust bunnies is age, not bank related. moving to pc will help with this.


I don't even think it's just age. Some of those guys might have actually been as old as they claimed to be.
Obviously not the ones that were saying "PC gamers are all gay/virgins/have down's syndrome/etc"... those are obvious teenagers.
I really think it's just the accessibility of the F2P environment.

The quote "that's how we get ants" comes to mind.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#8 - 2014-05-05 12:40:38 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
making legion subscription based is the fastest way to get me not to try it.


I would like to think those of us with EvE accounts would get a by-ball on paying.

Also, I can say Id rather not see any firearms, gear or armour that are only available with cash, aurum or plex.

That would grind my gears.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#9 - 2014-05-05 12:42:04 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
EVE is subscription based and you still get plenty of dribble, flaming, and trolling on these forums.

I'm most worried about the microtransactions that are pretty much always a part F2P games.


Mate, no..... not like that we don't. It was horrible.
I play DUST, and care about the community, so I was there basically as an extra fire extinguisher.

The rage was just beyond the pale. We have NEVER been that bad. Not even in the infamous Mintchip welcome thread.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Dave Stark
#10 - 2014-05-05 12:42:55 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
making legion subscription based is the fastest way to get me not to try it.


I would like to think those of us with EvE accounts would get a by-ball on paying.

Also, I can say Id rather not see any firearms, gear or armour that are only available with cash, aurum or plex.

That would grind my gears.


if my subscription for eve also let me play dustlegion, i'd be fine with that.
Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#11 - 2014-05-05 12:44:01 UTC
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
I ususally leave games when they turn F2P.

I hate the cash shops constantly in my face.


You played The Old Republic and I claim my five pounds.

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#12 - 2014-05-05 12:44:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
making legion subscription based is the fastest way to get me not to try it.


I would like to think those of us with EvE accounts would get a by-ball on paying.

Also, I can say Id rather not see any firearms, gear or armour that are only available with cash, aurum or plex.

That would grind my gears.


They've actually done a pretty good job of balancing that.
Yes, you can access "proto" quality suits and weapons, earlier through AUR transactions.... but they take up almost twice the PG/CPU, so you nerf the crap out of yourself when you fit one. It completely circumvents "pay-to-win".... in an absolutely brilliant way, might I add.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Doreen Kaundur
#13 - 2014-05-05 12:49:44 UTC
Victor Dathar wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
I ususally leave games when they turn F2P.

I hate the cash shops constantly in my face.


You played The Old Republic and I claim my five pounds.


I think it would be more accurate to say I "tried" the old republic.

Didnt last long.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2014-05-05 12:52:30 UTC
I would suggest that rather than make it a subscription based game, that they simply make it ten bucks to play it.

A pay wall is almost as good as a subscription for keeping out the riffraff.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2014-05-05 12:53:37 UTC
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#16 - 2014-05-05 12:56:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would suggest that rather than make it a subscription based game, that they simply make it ten bucks to play it.

A pay wall is almost as good as a subscription for keeping out the riffraff.


If that happened, then CCP would still have to rely on microtransactions to make the game profitable.
I thought we were against most forms of microtransactions here?

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#17 - 2014-05-05 12:58:54 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would suggest that rather than make it a subscription based game, that they simply make it ten bucks to play it.

A pay wall is almost as good as a subscription for keeping out the riffraff.


If that happened, then CCP would still have to rely on microtransactions to make the game profitable.
I thought we were against most forms of microtransactions here?


So long as it isn't as brutally pay to win as DUST is, I don't particularly mind.

What did you have in mind as a subscription price, by the way? Because no first person shooter in existence is worth $15 a month.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-05-05 13:01:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aspalis
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Is it safe to say that the drama and ragebile-spewing on the DUST forums is proof-positive of why you don't make F2P games?
Please make Legion a subscription-based MMO, so we don't run into this problem anymore.


I think the better approach would be to have Legion as a F2P game with the option of a subscription that offers you enough incentives for you to cough up the monthly fee. Pretty much what Planetside 2 is doing now.

Edit: Alternatively allow us to pay for it monthly with PLEX.

Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2014-05-05 13:02:17 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would suggest that rather than make it a subscription based game, that they simply make it ten bucks to play it.

A pay wall is almost as good as a subscription for keeping out the riffraff.


If that happened, then CCP would still have to rely on microtransactions to make the game profitable.
I thought we were against most forms of microtransactions here?

er, plex....

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#20 - 2014-05-05 13:03:59 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would suggest that rather than make it a subscription based game, that they simply make it ten bucks to play it.

A pay wall is almost as good as a subscription for keeping out the riffraff.


If that happened, then CCP would still have to rely on microtransactions to make the game profitable.
I thought we were against most forms of microtransactions here?


So long as it isn't as brutally pay to win as DUST is, I don't particularly mind.

What did you have in mind as a subscription price, by the way? Because no first person shooter in existence is worth $15 a month.


I was thinking more like $5 a month....

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
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