Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I get it, people like to think they are getting moar shiny on their T2 ships, but it's utterly pointless for ships that require a skill at level 5 to give their bonus as "per level". It should either just be a flat out bonus or subsumed into the ships stats.

Take the Ishtar for example, it currently gets a 7.5% Heavy Drone max velocity and tracking speed and 10% Drone hitpoints and damage per level of Gallente Cruiser, but there is NEVER ANY SITUATION WHATSOEVER WHERE ONE CAN BE FLYING THE DAMN SHIP WITHOUT GALLENTE CRUISER 5! Nor will there ever be. The bonus is never anything other than 37.5% Heavy Drone max velocity and tracking speed and 50% Drone hitpoints and damage.

An Ishtars bonuses should be:


The way it is labelled now is simply pointless obfuscation and pandering to children and stupids. This would be like lowering a Jump Freighters Armour HP by 500 putting a bonus on it that gave you +100 armour HP for every level of Racial Industiral you have when you need it at Level 5 to fly it anyway. It should just be subsumed into the ships stats.

I guess the initial intention was to keep the system opened to changes, such as lowering the skill requirements for some ships without having to change the ship stats or fixed bonuses, so it wasn't a pointless and stupid way to do it.

That said, I think it's safe to say that the fact that T2 requires the T1 skill to V is something that won't change, so I agree this could be remade into a fixed bonus rather than a bonus per level. It shouldn't go into the ship statistics though, because ship stats are generic while bonuses are specific and help new players figure out what a ship is supposed to be good at.

Edit @Riot Girl : with "role bonuses", there are now quite a lot of T2 ships who have fixed bonuses rather than per level, so everything isn't unified anymore.

And the T1 "skill" bonus are also unaffected by skills because it's always level 5.

Which is almost all of the T2 ships?

Well yeah, I actually checked a bit after posting this, and most role bonuses wouldn't make sense when written in a "per level" way. So nevermind :)

Not true!



IGB ate my post so you beat me to it. But to elaborate:

Let's say you're flying the Ishtar, so you have Gallente Cruiser V and Heavy Assault Cruiser IV. But then one day, you get podded into an insufficient clone/blown up in a T3 cruiser/stub your toe and find yourself losing a chunk of SP and now you're back to Gallente Cruiser IV.

Despite this, you can still fly the Ishtar. Why? Because back in 2013 when CCP started their 'tiercide' initiative, they made it so that all you needed to fly a ship was the primary skill - in this case, Heavy Assault Cruiser trained to I. If you have that, it doesn't matter what level of Gallente Cruiser you have now, it's still possible to fly the Ishtar. It was done this way so nobody would all of a sudden be locked out of a ship they could previously fly when Fozzie/Rise/Ytterbium started hitting things with the rebalancing bat.

So as unlikely as that situation is, it is possible and I think keeping it displayed the way it is would still be helpful. :)

wait - does this mean I can now fly all sorts of hac's? because EVE says I can't - because I don't have the racial skill to V, but you're telling me I can - because I have HAC to I

The important part of the "prereq" is the "root" Skill for the trees (the green highlighted ones)

i.e. if a HAC only says "Primary Skill" --> HAC 1 (Requires Racial Cruisers 5, and more stuff) you can fly any HAC regardless of [Racial] Cruiser skill levels after training HAC to Level one.

Now, if the HAC has it set up like this:

"Primary Skill" - HAC 1
"Secondary Skill" - Racial Cruiser 5

Then you cannot fly the HAC without Racial Cruiser 5.

No, I didn't say that. What I said was once you've trained all the skills required to fly a ship, you can still fly it after you lose a non-primary prerequisite skill for whatever reason.

So you would still have to 'unlock' it in a sense first, by more or less what Bohneik Itohn said. Though it's not a programming oversight, but rather an intentional change so nobody would be screwed over by tiercide.

How about the tab displays your bonuses with the ship?