EVE General Discussion

I like Hulks because the pilots are usually discriminating folk with good taste who don't settle for other low-class forms of mining. Plus they usually have really expensive pods.

The Hulks are still out there... waiting for you.

The best thing about Hulks is they drop armor plates like Mackinaws, but are far far easier to kill. Yes please miners of New Eden, rediscover the joy's of Hulk mining!

Does the Hulk not have a Role Bonus?

*copied*

ULK

Mining Barge Bonus per level:
+5% Strip Miner and Ice Harvester optimal range
-4% Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration

Exhumer Bonus per level:
+4% Shield resistances
-3% Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration

Slot layout: 3H, 4M, 2L;
Fittings: 40(+5) PWG, 310(+10) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 2200 / 1800 / 2000
Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 625 / 187.5s / 3.33
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 140(+70) / 0.46(+0.234) / 30,000,000(-10,000,000) / 19.13s(-5.58s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 35km(+12.5km) / 660 / 7
Sensor strength: 12(+4)
Signature radius: 200(+50)
Ore Bay: 8500m3

Okay I am back after a long day at work, and I am pleased to see all the constructive chit chat.. And good points.

The first thing that comes to my attention is that it is being said that a hulk is in fact a null-sec mining boat. Which I agree. Someone above also stated that they are best run as active tanks, which I also agree with, and actually run...

However... Having noted now that hulks are in fact a null sec mining boat, where is the justification in the risk of null-sec mining, vs the profitability? By that I mean a few things... First let me just take a look at ore prices via a website I love.

http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html



5,433,194 isk per barrel of SCORDITE

5,974,950 isk per barrel of ARKONOR ( 3-ish years ago, 1 can of ark was roughly 12-15m)

6,962,997 isk per barrel of HEDBERGITE


Now I don't mean this as a rant, at all, but as a pointer. Scordite is worth nearly as much as the most valuable ore, and formerly most valuable ore (not including mercoxit because because)

Any boat can mine scordite, etc. There should be a higher reward for the risk of said "null sec" boat, etc, if you catch my meaning. I have also read that CCP plans to increase the value of ABC, + Hed + Hem. But I still don't really think that will put the hulk in a niche that it belongs, as a null-sec mining boat.

So to me, I think that the hulk has become an almost worthless ship, unless it is baby sat. And even then, its still risky and flimsy.

Back when I started in 08-09, the hulk was what you aimed for. The King of Exhumers, that boss man. But I feel as though even with said summer changes, the fact that it will get more yield, and no more tank, (in fact less if I read someones post about sig radius increase), really just defeats the purpose of a hulk.


So... If it doesn't belong in high-sec, and it really isnt worth the risk vs profitavility margin in null... where.. does it fit? How does it work, logically?

Tbh, I don't even undock mine, and won't until my orca has T2 remote shield reps and t2 shield drones. Even with active tank.

Thoughts? I hope that isn't confusing.. just a wacky scenario in my own crazy world.

This, if you could somehow dump straight to a can that your orca guy regularly scooped up the hulk would see a lot more use.

FYP.

I would speculate that at least for HiSec the coming Hulk buffs will do little to change how frequently people fly that ship. CCP can nerf the other mining barges and exhumers into uselessness, yet I at least will only start flying Hulks even in mining fleets, if the added yield on that ship offsets the recurring ~ 200M ISK cost of regularly loosing one to suicide gankers.

Given the current anti-mining climate in HiSec I am much more likely to drop mining as an activity, if it becomes too unprofitable due to Skiff/Mackinaw nerfs. If I have to baby-sit my mining ship(s) absolutely every second I am in space, then I might as well just run L4 missions. As a 'solo' activity mining is only really profitable in ISK/ hour terms if you multi-box. D-scan every 6 seconds is simply not going to happen for me.

Note to CCP: Buffing the Hulk in order to 'balance' it is pointless, if it is still a 200M loot pinata made from wet tissue paper, in addition to being tedious to operate for multi-boxers. The tediousness comes from the combination of marginal ore bay size (exasperated by the coming yield buff), combined with the micro-management required to effectively feed 3 strip miners with a meager diet of small HiSec asteroids.

I miss Hulks :'(

I never fly my Hulk, but I got one so I could name it 'Bruce'.

mackageddon sounds like macaroni and cheese gone horribly wrong

Seduction, the new fragrance from the McCandless Clan.