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Consolidated W-Space needs for POS revamp.
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Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#1 - 2014-05-05 04:47:10 UTC
In an effort to make it easier for Corbexx to fix our poses. Lets get a list of things w-space wants for better POS.

Number 1 in my book. Ability to set config starbase and fuel tech rights on a per pos basis.

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AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#2 - 2014-05-05 04:52:35 UTC
Here's an idea .......... let's not. Shocked

I mean let's not right now. We all know they need revamping, we all know the CSM are going to be representing us to do it but please (and all the other "New Ideas" threads) can you give the guy a chance to settle into his new job maybe find out where to get a coffee and have a pee before you ask him to conquer the world?

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BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#3 - 2014-05-05 04:58:55 UTC
I'd be happy with an official Yes/No on if POS redux work has started during this CSM term from CCP. I can wait on details, I just want to know it's being actually worked on. Not just poked at with a stick by a designer occasionally.
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#4 - 2014-05-05 05:55:11 UTC
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:
Here's an idea .......... let's not. Shocked

I mean let's not right now. We all know they need revamping, we all know the CSM are going to be representing us to do it but please (and all the other "New Ideas" threads) can you give the guy a chance to settle into his new job maybe find out where to get a coffee and have a pee before you ask him to conquer the world?



We know where the coffee comes from. The Coffee maker POS mod, which is currently broken.

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Winthorp
#5 - 2014-05-05 06:43:23 UTC
I don't think Corbexx really needs yet another thirty page thread to look over. Give the guy some time to sign the NDA, talk to CCP a little and see whats happening, talk to old CSM reps to know what they know (Even if he can't discuss future stuff with them).
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#6 - 2014-05-05 13:58:43 UTC
you guys know they answered this at FF right? They are not redoing poses. period. Fozzie said that theyre building mobile structures up to replace POSes instead. What we need to look forward to is the role revamp first which will set the groundwork for corp/allaince wide mobile structures.

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BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#7 - 2014-05-06 00:10:01 UTC
ExookiZ wrote:
you guys know they answered this at FF right? They are not redoing poses. period. Fozzie said that theyre building mobile structures up to replace POSes instead. What we need to look forward to is the role revamp first which will set the groundwork for corp/allaince wide mobile structures.


They did? Awesome can you link what session it was so I can go take a look?
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#8 - 2014-05-06 03:33:16 UTC
When they get around posting the presentations on youtube, check "Deploying Pluggable Space Things". It explains why we have weird bugs with pos and others. Also the Eve keynote has a roadmap of what's coming and pos&station revamp is there. It's not gonna happen before they have the necessary pieces for it ready. But it's coming.

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BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#9 - 2014-05-06 03:52:14 UTC
Wander Prian wrote:
When they get around posting the presentations on youtube, check "Deploying Pluggable Space Things". It explains why we have weird bugs with pos and others. Also the Eve keynote has a roadmap of what's coming and pos&station revamp is there. It's not gonna happen before they have the necessary pieces for it ready. But it's coming.


Awesome, thanks. I've had a feeling for a bit that deployables might end up swapping out POS's. Will be cool to see what they end up with.
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#10 - 2014-05-07 17:57:51 UTC
Imn ot sure they video / streamed all the roundtables. My corpmates are telling me it was at the first WH roundtable, fozzie started off by saying hes not asnwering POS questions because theyre building them out of mobile structuers.

The mobile structures presentation gave some insight into their plans although they gave no specifics. Basically the mobile structures are using brand new code. not reusing old outdated stuff

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ksig cook
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#11 - 2014-05-07 19:47:48 UTC
Inb4 mobile deployable things happen, pos code is screwed further, and all the things hanging out in our hangers is lost forever... Working as intended.
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2014-05-07 20:07:11 UTC
ExookiZ wrote:
you guys know they answered this at FF right? They are not redoing poses. period. Fozzie said that theyre building mobile structures up to replace POSes instead. What we need to look forward to is the role revamp first which will set the groundwork for corp/allaince wide mobile structures.

Amusingly enough the guy building the mobile structures said mobile structure would not be used as a foundation for a new pos system Blink

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unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-05-07 20:54:54 UTC
Is there a recording of the wormhole roundtable to be found online?

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#14 - 2014-05-08 21:02:03 UTC
POS do not need to be revamped. Their core functionalities should be phased out entirely, because their codebase is old and confusing and doesn't fit in CCP's new agile approach. Deployable structures need to be expanded upon, so POS can eventually phase out and can be deleted from the trunk.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-05-08 22:07:34 UTC
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
ExookiZ wrote:
you guys know they answered this at FF right? They are not redoing poses. period. Fozzie said that theyre building mobile structures up to replace POSes instead. What we need to look forward to is the role revamp first which will set the groundwork for corp/allaince wide mobile structures.

Amusingly enough the guy building the mobile structures said mobile structure would not be used as a foundation for a new pos system Blink


I think he meant the current structures wouldn't.

But the current code for mobile structures could be built upon to make pos mods.

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ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#16 - 2014-05-09 00:06:25 UTC
thats what I got out of it. He talked about how the new mobile structure's underlying code allows them to more quickly design and add new stuff. I cant quote him, but I certainly thought he was talking about POSes when he said theyd be building new stuff off this code. CCP Fozzies responses at the roundtable also seemed to indicate this.

And they dont record the round tables, so unless they did this year I dont think youll see them. I hear they were unproductive as usual.

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ViRtUoZone
Commie Bunny Pirates
#17 - 2014-05-09 01:01:25 UTC
An actual POS UI pop up that you only get when inside the field would be nice. Similar to the one you get in a station, it'd be nice for just over all organization.
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#18 - 2014-05-09 08:13:06 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
POS do not need to be revamped. Their core functionalities should be phased out entirely, because their codebase is old and confusing and doesn't fit in CCP's new agile approach. Deployable structures need to be expanded upon, so POS can eventually phase out and can be deleted from the trunk.




Ummmm just no.

Mobile structures are a nice supplement for ops and traveling. But they do not provide the robust storage/defense/long term stability that a POS does for permanent wh habitation.


I mean just seriously consider trying to live in a wh without a pos. not all of us are interest in logging off in one ship.

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BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#19 - 2014-05-09 08:16:53 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
POS do not need to be revamped. Their core functionalities should be phased out entirely, because their codebase is old and confusing and doesn't fit in CCP's new agile approach. Deployable structures need to be expanded upon, so POS can eventually phase out and can be deleted from the trunk.




Ummmm just no.

Mobile structures are a nice supplement for ops and traveling. But they do not provide the robust storage/defense/long term stability that a POS does for permanent wh habitation.


I mean just seriously consider trying to live in a wh without a pos. not all of us are interest in logging off in one ship.


The difference between a mobile depot and a mobile depot that holds ships is a flag and total m3 of space. Same as there's nothing stopping a FF deployable being created that block people flying through it at a range (ESS tracks range already) without a password.

Having said that, my understanding is that CCP wants a session change (station docking, gates, wormholes etc) for nuPOS so it may not end up what we're used to at all.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#20 - 2014-05-09 12:06:19 UTC
ExookiZ wrote:
you guys know they answered this at FF right? They are not redoing poses. period. Fozzie said that theyre building mobile structures up to replace POSes instead. What we need to look forward to is the role revamp first which will set the groundwork for corp/allaince wide mobile structures.


Yes. Making totally new code for pos that works properly out the door is a much better use of time than fixing the esoteric and arcane code from old pos.

You have to be totally blind not to see that this is what they intended to do ever since mobile depots were introdiced.
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